I am giving up

I have been trying for about 5 years to get my wife to try another man. With me watching. She has a couple of times made mention like she might would like it, but she has turned now and said she not that kind of woman and tired of hearing about my fantansy. If i had 1 friend thay could just come over without letting her know it set up it might would work but I don't have any friend I can trust with thos secret. So I am done trying
 
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I have been trying for about 5 years to get my wife to try another man. With me watching. She has a couple of times made mention like she might would like it, but she has turned now and said she not that kind of woman and tired of hearing about my fantansy. If i had 1 friend thay could just come over without letting her know it set up it might would work but I don't have any friend I can trust with thos secret. So I am done trying
This incident happens a lot in Turkey. The solution is as follows: Find a man who can spend time with your spouse. This man will get closer to her and he will get closer to you. Then we are with your spouse on a drinking day or at a party or any other invitation. We do this a lot in Turkey. I think I can help you.
 
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So how to begin?
This happens a lot in my country. Normally, it is a Muslim-majority country and men cannot come out to their wives. They are trying to find a way, or rather, they choose the men they met on the internet who know these things. They become close to their spouses, a bond is formed between husband and wife and friends, that is, they become mutual friends. Then they start hanging out together. After hanging out, they choose a day of any kind and organize an environment where alcohol and speed are high. After setting the environment, the woman relaxes on her own and, under the influence of the environment, men and women make love.
 
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This incident happens a lot in Turkey. The solution is as follows: Find a man who can spend time with your spouse. This man will get closer to her and he will get closer to you. Then we are with your spouse on a drinking day or at a party or any other invitation. We do this a lot in Turkey. I think I can help you.
Ok how can you help me?
 
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Well to help you I would need to get more information about your relationship, her personality type, reasoning for not wanting to fulfill your fantasy, etc. Let me know if you are willing to give some background. We can do it here or by DM.
 
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I have been trying for about 5 years to get my wife to try another man. With me watching. She has a couple of times made mention like she might would like it, but she has turned now and said she not that kind of woman and tired of hearing about my fantansy. If i had 1 friend thay could just come over without letting her know it set up it might would work but I don't have any friend I can trust with thos secret. So I am done trying
I definitely relate to your situation. I've shared that I would like my wife to try a bigger cock once, just to have the experience. Even though she has firmly said it will never happen I asked if we could just "pretend" and incorporate that teasing/dirty talk into our love making. This was a huge step for her and she has gone from being very awkward to blowing my mind with the ideas and descriptions that come out of her head.

Now, compared to what goes on here this pales in comparison but, their journey isn't mine and mine isn't theirs. I've had to learn that I have to be satisfied with little steps and look at them as welcome improvements in our sex life. I'm starting to see the accumulative effect of focusing on subtle changes. My wife seems more receptive about sex in general than ever before, however that's relative when you compare it to here.

Lots of times I've felt like giving up. I've discovered that I don't like the negative spiral I go into after feeling defeated. My mood seeps in to everything else and I just feel worse. I had to snap out of that. It didn't do anything. That's why I've chosen to be forever hopeful and try to build on successes and learn from the failures.

None of this is easy, either trying to get into it, or apparently managing it after you are. Some people do it though! I've always thought of it as like I was a kid looking in through the fence at an amusement park. I see those people having so much fun and I can't get in the park.
 
I have been trying for about 5 years to get my wife to try another man. With me watching. She has a couple of times made mention like she might would like it, but she has turned now and said she not that kind of woman and tired of hearing about my fantansy. If i had 1 friend thay could just come over without letting her know it set up it might would work but I don't have any friend I can trust with thos secret. So I am done trying
Oh thats too bad. ive een trying to fet my wife to fuck other guys for more than 20 years. i have tried giving it up but i keep coming back to it.
 
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I definitely relate to your situation. I've shared that I would like my wife to try a bigger cock once, just to have the experience. Even though she has firmly said it will never happen I asked if we could just "pretend" and incorporate that teasing/dirty talk into our love making. This was a huge step for her and she has gone from being very awkward to blowing my mind with the ideas and descriptions that come out of her head.

Now, compared to what goes on here this pales in comparison but, their journey isn't mine and mine isn't theirs. I've had to learn that I have to be satisfied with little steps and look at them as welcome improvements in our sex life. I'm starting to see the accumulative effect of focusing on subtle changes. My wife seems more receptive about sex in general than ever before, however that's relative when you compare it to here.

Lots of times I've felt like giving up. I've discovered that I don't like the negative spiral I go into after feeling defeated. My mood seeps in to everything else and I just feel worse. I had to snap out of that. It didn't do anything. That's why I've chosen to be forever hopeful and try to build on successes and learn from the failures.

None of this is easy, either trying to get into it, or apparently managing it after you are. Some people do it though! I've always thought of it as like I was a kid looking in through the fence at an amusement park. I see those people having so much fun and I can't get in the park.
This is by far the most sage advice in this thread. Solid feedback
 
Not every woman is put together in a manner that makes being your 'personal provate porn star' something we can or want to do. I tried it with my husband (and all the stupid annoying idiotic questions you guys ask and the dumber jokes you make) and HATED it!! it took all of the sensuality and personal enjoyment out of the act entirely for me. I expect your wife is the same.

Once the situation became someone actually coming on to me because they found me attractive and desirable, and I was able to pursue the relationship on my own, my whole outlook changed. Some of us need that emtional connection too. If you can;' handle that, its better to give it up. we are not all playthings for your porn fantasies. And you risk ruining what appears to be a good marriage otherwise.

J (the wife)
 
Oh yea, EVERY guy that you THINK will do waht you want and seduce her without her knowing its a set up, is a LIAR!! They ALL eventually come out with it, especially if it looks like its NOT going to happen..........then it's "your husband set this up so it OK," like who fucks us is 100% dependant on our husband approving of it first ad we jsut spread because he said its OK). Trust me, this NEVER works and every guys above saying it does is a liar.

J (the wife)
 
I have been trying for about 5 years to get my wife to try another man. With me watching. She has a couple of times made mention like she might would like it, but she has turned now and said she not that kind of woman and tired of hearing about my fantansy. If i had 1 friend thay could just come over without letting her know it set up it might would work but I don't have any friend I can trust with thos secret. So I am done trying
I started suggesting this lifestyle in 2004, last year we finally got started.
I'm not saying you should wait for 20 years but don't give up, you just haven't found the right time.
 
I definitely relate to your situation. I've shared that I would like my wife to try a bigger cock once, just to have the experience. Even though she has firmly said it will never happen I asked if we could just "pretend" and incorporate that teasing/dirty talk into our love making. This was a huge step for her and she has gone from being very awkward to blowing my mind with the ideas and descriptions that come out of her head.

Now, compared to what goes on here this pales in comparison but, their journey isn't mine and mine isn't theirs. I've had to learn that I have to be satisfied with little steps and look at them as welcome improvements in our sex life. I'm starting to see the accumulative effect of focusing on subtle changes. My wife seems more receptive about sex in general than ever before, however that's relative when you compare it to here.

Lots of times I've felt like giving up. I've discovered that I don't like the negative spiral I go into after feeling defeated. My mood seeps in to everything else and I just feel worse. I had to snap out of that. It didn't do anything. That's why I've chosen to be forever hopeful and try to build on successes and learn from the failures.

None of this is easy, either trying to get into it, or apparently managing it after you are. Some people do it though! I've always thought of it as like I was a kid looking in through the fence at an amusement park. I see those people having so much fun and I can't get in the park.
That’s a great first step, just pretending to be with another man and talking about it and what she’d like to have happen. My question is how do you bring up the topic
 
That’s a great first step, just pretending to be with another man and talking about it and what she’d like to have happen. My question is how do you bring up the topic
Ok, I brought it up while we were having sex. She had had several orgasms with our foreplay already. She was in a zone, and I knew if I could just keep my pace and rhythm going she would cum again. I was doing her doggy style (her favorite) and I casually threw out that I'll bet you would be cumming already if you had a big dick in you right now. She was too far into to respond.

After we were done she told me that she could never fuck another man. I told her that I knew that but the idea of it made me horny. She told me to get that idea out of my head because it wasn't going to happen. I would still tease her with a little comment now and then during sex but it never really had any traction.

We've been together a long time and the routine predictable vanilla sex had worn on me. I'm also not the kid I was when we first married either. So, one time we had planned for sex (which sucks, but that's what she was comfortable with) and I couldn't get it up. I wanted to. I liked sex, even bad sex. I was honestly crushed. I just rolled aside and started to cry. My wife was understandably concerned and tried to comfort me. I just went to sleep that night frustrated with myself and everything.

The next day we talked and I told her that even though I know she'll never be a hot wife, I just needed some mental stimulation to help me stay excited. I told her that we were not youngsters anymore and I needed a little extra to help me. She consented and has done a remarkable job of concocting fabulous nasty little stories/ideas. She wasn't so great at first but she has come a long way. Enough so to make me think about those ideas she has and where did they come from? Who knows where it may lead?

This shit is a nothing compared to what goes on here. I just know I'd like to have a taste of some of the fun some people have here. I have a feeling I'm not alone.
 
Ok, I brought it up while we were having sex. She had had several orgasms with our foreplay already. She was in a zone, and I knew if I could just keep my pace and rhythm going she would cum again. I was doing her doggy style (her favorite) and I casually threw out that I'll bet you would be cumming already if you had a big dick in you right now. She was too far into to respond.

After we were done she told me that she could never fuck another man. I told her that I knew that but the idea of it made me horny. She told me to get that idea out of my head because it wasn't going to happen. I would still tease her with a little comment now and then during sex but it never really had any traction.

We've been together a long time and the routine predictable vanilla sex had worn on me. I'm also not the kid I was when we first married either. So, one time we had planned for sex (which sucks, but that's what she was comfortable with) and I couldn't get it up. I wanted to. I liked sex, even bad sex. I was honestly crushed. I just rolled aside and started to cry. My wife was understandably concerned and tried to comfort me. I just went to sleep that night frustrated with myself and everything.

The next day we talked and I told her that even though I know she'll never be a hot wife, I just needed some mental stimulation to help me stay excited. I told her that we were not youngsters anymore and I needed a little extra to help me. She consented and has done a remarkable job of concocting fabulous nasty little stories/ideas. She wasn't so great at first but she has come a long way. Enough so to make me think about those ideas she has and where did they come from? Who knows where it may lead?

This shit is a nothing compared to what goes on here. I just know I'd like to have a taste of some of the fun some people have here. I have a feeling I'm not alone.
Her fantastic stories may be better than some realities. ;)