Cuck husband + sub wife?
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He has sat down next to her in a booth having her trap between the wall and him where she couldn`t get away if she tried. I was sitting across from them cock getting hard wondering where his hands and figures where. It was like I wasn`t there. She look at me wondering if I was going to stop him while he just look at me a smiled.
I just sent a dm thanking you for the follow and more. I asked for feedback again, and discovered you gave it at the same time I posted!
This is actually further along than I guessed. Owl, this was a TEST. It tested you. But the results were for HER.
He and your wife have an ‘understanding.’ Likely, he said — ‘I could come onto you in front of Owl, and he couldn’t/wouldn’t stop it.’ But she needed PROOF. You gave it!
That explains why she wasn’t shocked when he pinned her to the wall. It explains why she received his powerful move. It explains [as you said] why she looked [to see if you’d stop it]. And it explains why he smiled. You passed the test! That’s not all!
You greatly raised your wife’s respect for his instincts and grasp of the situation.
You confirmed his dominance and his right to take such liberties with your wife.
You set the stage for the next test in which he will be much more direct — and may even have penetrative sex with her in front of you.
You have confirmed the idea that you will not act to stop them however far they go.
Essentially, doing nothing said, ‘this is for YOU to decide, Mrs. Owl.’
Doing as he said you would tells her that ‘how far’ is for HER to decide.
And even if they didn’t have that talk, she got the message, loud and clear.
Owl, it’s likely he’ll soon have one of those penis-hardening ‘talks’ you ‘often’ have.
If he asks what you thought or felt, you must be honest. Tell him everything.
Your heart pounded.
It paralyzed you.
It made you horny and hard, and you couldn’t help it.
It was a beautiful, holy moment, and you wanted to honor and worship it.
You were hoping to see her the happiest she’s ever been.
You were afraid that if you got up, they’d see your little erection as proof you’re OK with what they’re doing.
This is Nature’s intention, and I know I’m supposed to support you both in whatever you decide …
Whatever it was you felt, tell him. All of it. Tell him you know he lasts so much longer and is much bigger and better. Tell him that the first time you saw him, you knew your wife deserved this. Tell him that every time he says these things, it goes deeper inside your heart and mind.
Tell him that if either of them asked you, you would repeat all these things in front of them both. Why?
Because whatever you say, he’ll take back to her and likely include that in the next ‘test.’
If you wondered if she’d struggle when he pinned her and it aroused you when she didn’t, admit it.
Tell him that you wondered where his hands were, and what his fingers were doing, tell him. TELL him that what they did made you helplessly horny and very hard.
Tell him you know that was a test, and that you can’t wait for the next one.
Ask him to tell you how much better he would make sex for her, and why. Tell him how you feel about her finally experiencing sex as sex is SUPPOSED to be.
Tell him you need this to love her and respect them both as you ought.
Tell him that the pleasure his body can give her plus her consent GIVES THEM THE RIGHT to do this.
Remember— it all gets take back to your wife.
Congratulations, Owl!
Do I think he will penetrate her soon?
Owl, only your wife can answer that question.
Beyond that, this is what I CAN say.
First, given your wife’s age [I’m thinking you’re nearing senior years?] and the other photo you’ve posted, I’m genuinely taken back. Why is that?
There are many a twenty-year-old who are green with envy — her hips, derrière, thighs, legs and calves. Just WOW!😮
So I’ll tell you this: if that is your wife, your studly friend is extremely highly motivated to see this through. Owl — remember when he showed himself to you? He has been seducing you BOTH since then, if not before!
He has no intention of stopping. He means to see this through to its rightful conclusion HOWEVER long it is. He MEANS to have her. All of her. And to have her deep admiration for what he does for her.
You are to show him all respect because of what he can do for her that you can’t.
Any discussion needed on that? Are you ready for more?
Have a good one, 🦉!
Greetings, Owl.
I was too long. I started over, this time with your question.
Do I think you’re too far be gone to stop him from using her and maybe myself.
Your next decision or so decide if it’s ‘yes’ or ‘no.’ So you [AND Mrs. Owl] are right on that very edge.
How can he steer her his way so easily? He’s done this before. He knows EXACTLY how to approach your wife and what to do. When he pinned Mrs. Owl to the wall in the booth, he KNEW she wouldn’t struggle. She didn’t.
She waited. And she watched to see if you’d stop it.
You didn’t.
Owl, he’s seducing you both at the same time.
Just him being near you makes you feel very submissive and timid. All he has to do is remind you what you saw, and tell you to imagine her response when he puts what you saw inside her. Result?
You’re erect and aroused! You fantasize uncontrollably. Your penis begs for your hand. Why? He trained you for it.
He trained you so when he cups her vulva, brushes his fingers over her nips and her hand goes for him, you’re erect, aroused and fantasizing uncontrollably. Your penis begs for your hand. It all paralyzed you.
Owl, are you wondering why you didn’t stop them!
You didn’t stop it because WHEN he starts playing with your wife, your training sabotages your ability to resist!
If anyone in the bar spots your little erection and calls out, ‘LOOK everyone — he LIKES it!’
How do you forbid your wife from enjoying him while you yourself get off on this scene? You can’t. You’ve no leg to stand on. You can’t deny her what you enjoy.
That a good part of why you’re so weak. Reflecting on that may help.
There’s a strong element of addiction in this. Against your ‘better judgment/fears/instincts, you’re reluctant to go to the little bar where he hangs out.
All you need to do is to stay away. Except your addiction. You keep going back.
On the other hand, there are those for whom being cuckolded is therapeutic. They find it validating. It seems to them that nothing in the world is more true than that this is what nature intends, that your wife is entitled to all the pleasure she can have.
So you have to decide which way to go. I’ll support you whatever you decide.
Let me know what you want to hear.
Take care, Owl!
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Owl, this is like the second half to my earlier reply.
Last time I looked at your training. This bit looks at her training, and how they relate.
What we know:
She gave him the right to make very clear, seductive, sexual advances; she doesn’t flinch. She is at ease with his lead; she expects, accepts, follows and enjoys it. That is no accident. He has conditioned her for this.
All that alone is remarkable progress. But the bar booth was a turning point. He did it because he knows you’re both ready for the next level. He planned and executed it beautifully. You both performed exactly as trained.
That moved things into Level 2, where both classes merge and he trains you both together. So he smiled.
Now, thank you for that photo. Mrs. 🦉 is very blessed. Her derrière, thighs and breasts are lush and beautiful.
He has all this experience, talent and a very impressive [and humbling] cock. He is extremely motivated and absolutely determined to use all that he’s got to bring this to the conclusion he wants.
He knows he has you both. He will continue to train you together until both of you want nothing on earth more.
And I think you know it, Owl.
In a sense, you really can’t blame him for any of this — given the prize to be won! Decisions matter. But we can’t undo hundreds of millions of years of evolutionary biology in a minute. And face it — nothing matters more than competing successfully to pass along one’s genes.
In that respect, he’s doing what he’s supposed to do.
What we can reasonably infer:
This is guesswork. But I tend to have good hunches. And this is what I would do in his place. For what it’s worth.
I’d guess that when you were both well along at Level 1, he began sharing with Mrs. 🦉 that being around him makes you feel meek, timid, submissive and less manly.
If so, she’d likely be surprised and curious. Whether she saw or accepted it then doesn’t matter. Then or later, he likely told her how manly he is where you are not.
Did she object, ‘there is SO much more to ‘manhood?’ It doesn’t matter. What counts is that it matters to OWL.
When she absorbed that [even if still skeptically], he added more. And all the while, he keeps reminding you what he has, and how you will never pit her into orbit the way he can.
Did he tell her that just mentioning this arouses you to erections whenever you do? Or that he’s sure that when Owl is ready to masturbate, he starts with automatic, uncontrollable fantasizing about him and Mrs. Owl …
Together?
I don’t know — even if he’s sure that’s how you stroke.
Did she tell him about the dildos? I don’t know. But in his place, I’d have said … ‘so Owl has experience guiding other cocks inside you? Hmmm.’ Now that could drive the ‘meek and timid’ message home.
I’m fairly sure it came down to — I could blatantly touch you sexually under Owl’s nose, and instead of stopping it, his heart would pound, he’d be flustered, amazed, astonished, terrified, excited and erect. His arousal would be off the charts. He would find it PARALYZING!
I’m guessing something like that DID happen, and that Mrs Owl was stunned, disbelieving and extremely curious! He told Mrs. 🦉 EXACTLY what emotions and signals to watch for. They agreed to put his theory to the test.
THEN came the bar booth!
You said that Mrs. Owl watched to see if you would do anything. That’s only partly right.
She watched and waited alright! She watched like a hawk for any evidence that he was right, that his presence, manhood and authority truly have the effect of making you meek, timid, passive, submissive, aroused, helpless, paralyzed and more.
If I was him? I’d have taken Mrs. Owl’s hand and started it moving slowly all along my very impressive girth and length . . . the whole time she was was looking straight into your eyes to see if you would stop it.
Owl, that’s what the bar booth test was about.
For him, the question was, ‘does Owl’s training hold?’
For her, the question was, ‘is this really who Owl is?’
For you, the question was . . . What do I do? Where are there hands? Should I intervene? Do I even want to? What if my little erection is seen?! And so on.
You sabotaged your own resistance. And you’ve masturbated to that ever since.
Where things stand now?
Your next level, joint training is on.
Mrs. Owl knows how and why he dominates you and you feel you’re supposed to submit helplessly to his manhood. And your own arousal demands it.
You agreed that he can put Mrs. Owl in obvious sexual situations. You affirmed her right to take pleasure from others. You show you have no exclusive claim to her favours, and no obligation or right to stop her.
Most of all, you set the stage for the next event. Trust him to push further next time.
I’m guessing the bar booth changed so much in your relationship.
Again, you have to decide to continue OR to go elsewhere. Only you can decide that.
A few questions to help me assess things.
Have you and Mrs. 🦉 discussed the bar booth at all?
Does she ever suggest the little bar?
If you picked another watering hole, and made that a regular thing, would she be good with it?
Anything else I should suggest.
Take care, 🦉!
Sitting with my cock hard reading your comments telling me exactly the truth and what happening to both of us. We talk last night about him and the bar booth episode. She was surprise I let him get her cornered. I told her she look like she wasn`t that upset and wasn`t really trying to push him away. She use the excuse that she didn`t want to draw attention to others in the bar what he was doing to her. He had his hand inside her panties which I thought he did but couldn`t tell for sure. She didn`t say if she felt his cock throbbing as he was working her pussy. I ask her if she would have went to the parking lot with him right then if he didn`t suddenly quit and told her good night. I think that just made her want him more. If this has progress to the point that he going own, her should I meet him without her to see where I stand. I`m a strong alpha man until I get around him it like I`m surrendering both of us to him. Like the insight you give me your honest thoughts and what you think going to happen. I still think of when this all started when he showed me his thick cock and told Karen will enjoy this.
Let your wife be a slave to her bull!
In our house, I am a slave, my wife is a dominatrix with me, but her bulls do strange things to her and she enjoys it.
Some pictures from a weekend spent on a farm:
‘Should I meet him without her to see “where I stand.”’
You certainly should! Yes. But tell him what you told me?” ‘I’m surrendering both of us’ to [you] him.’ But hand him an open question [as you do] inviting him to define the whole relationship for you both …
You may want to think about that. Mind, it’s a fair bet that if you go, he’ll know that’s why you’re there. And why WOULDN’T he do that?
You say that being near him washes out your strength, manliness and courage. But do you know how many cards he holds? Or how strong his hand is? I’ll give you a taste of what you may be setting up yourself to get. Think of it as an inoculation.
This will be the first part of my answer.
The second part of the answer will be an entirely different but, I think, an equally valid perspective. This means that I’m not going to tell you what to do. That isn’t my place, Owl. So you get to make those decisions.
Lastly, I’ll PM you a third option. I think you should consider it carefully. We can work through that together.
But your question -- ‘should I meet him without her to see “where I stand.”’
What will he do? I can’t say. I can tell what I might do in his place. Mind, we’re very different. He’s not me. This is about the toolbox. No, not that one. It’s about what he has available to ‘put you in your place’ when you ask him ‘where I stand.’
I might say, ‘Owl, you’ve said you can’t stop fantasizing about how good I’ll be for Karen, how beautiful it will be to see her far more sexual than ever before. I know you’re so grateful for the gift I’m offering you. It only right that you come to show gratitude and respect. I respect your willingness to do this freely, because of the beauty of it, because you love Karen enough to put her joy and bliss above your own. By doing this, you show that you are a strong and good man.’
‘I promise you, Owl, that I will do my very best to give Karen a true, “before and after” experience. I want you to see her explode in very powerful, multiple orgasms. I want her eyes to roll back into her head. I want you to hear her bray and bray and bray and bray over and over all the world like a donkey. I want her barely able to stand afterward. I know you do too. But before I can do this, Owl, I need something from you. Even though we know this is why you’re here, I can’t do this for Karen until you ask me to do it.’
But that’s me, Owl. Him? More like, ‘too tired to fight it anymore? We both know you can’t. I’ve been right all along, and you know it. You can’t ignore it. You can’t escape it. You can’t put it out of mind. You need this to get done. You’re here to tell me that you need to see Karen get the fuck of her life. Don’t you. Say it, Owl.’
Very different. But somewhat the same Idea.
Or he may reply, 'where do you stand? You stand right here!' Glib, and offering nothing.
In any case, where can you 'go' with whatever he might tell you? Consider that.
He might leave it with ‘ready to see her get the fucking of a lifetime?’
Part One:
I can’t say what he’ll do. You know him. I don’t. But I’d say you’ll need enormous courage to face it. So again, you have to decide.
He knows that the bar booth is a turning point. If he’s smart, he’ll ply your desires to take you far, far deeper into sub than you ever imagined possible. His angle may be to crush your every last corner of resistance to keeping his cock out of Karen, and putting her mind into orbit.
Another guy’s story was like yours. But he got the ‘chats’ first. When the visual part came at the end, he was a goner. The story line is different, but the effect was the same. That’s how he did it.
Another guy will have your head swimming with questions to block thinking any other way. Or coach you until you recite everything he says as second nature, and believe it with all your heart.
He might insist on complete, obedient sub to as a condition for including you at all. He could say, ‘I’ll be giving it to Karen good and plenty either way; it’s only sensible to agree that we’ll do this together.’
Say you meet and ask ‘where you stand.’ If you start hedging or backing down, what will he say?
‘Will my cock pack Karen a wallop your dickey can’t even begin to match? Why ask me? Why not ask her? Why is it easier to ask the guy who fingers her in a semi-public place than ask your wife herself?’ Why ask me of all people “where YOU stand” with Karen and I?’ Did you notice – Karen and I?
‘So – you admit that I’m the one to shape Karen’s sexual future! Or do you need more convincing that my cock is going to drive her nuts? Where do you stand, indeed! You’ll stand where I tell you, where Karen wants you.’
‘Do you want to know if she responded? Do you want to know if I made her wet? Do you want to know how wet I made her? Do you want to know if I made her gorgeous pussy engorge? If her pussy wept for my majestic cock? Did she hide her deepening breaths? Did I feel her struggling not to buck her hips? Why ask me, Owl? Why not ask her yourself?’
‘Or did I later inhale her aroma from my fingers? Or put my fingers in my mouth … taste her own, unique, feminine bouquet? Is it the best I ever tasted? Will telling you these things help you understand? Is knowing these things what you need to accept “where you stand,” Owl?’
Overwhelming? That’s only an opener. And he could take a completely different approach.
‘Do you agree that Karen will never reach anywhere near her full potential? Without him, that is.
Or, ‘isn’t the fullest possible pleasure Karen’s right? Why should she sacrifice so much to cover for your “little problem?’”
Or, ‘you’ve had so much pleasure since you saw my cock! Shouldn’t Karen get at least as much? After all the years she has done without the best, doesn’t she deserve finally get the best?’ He knows how powerful this is for you, Owl. You go to him now and he’ll smell success like Karen’s juices on his hand.
He could ask: ‘Has your hand broken your resistance yet, or do you need to see one more time what her body’s going to gobble to the hilt first?’
If he does, what will you say?
He might take it out again, stroke to erection, and put it right across your eyes, so that it fills his whole vision and looks enormous . . . and he waits.
If he does, what will you say?
What if he slaps it across your eyes a time or two — just to let you feel its weight?
If he does, what will you say?
Or then says, ‘it’s inevitable. Just say it, Owl. Say you’ve got no fight left. Do what’s right by you both!’
If he does, what will you say?
He may say that given how much Karen is missing, you should see this as a sexual intervention-and-rescue
If he does, what will you say?
He may say that your every erection proves everything he says — and he won’t go further until you agree.
If he does, what will you say?
He may say, ‘you can’t escape this need. Can you.’
If he does, what will you say?
The point, Owl, is this. He knows he holds all the sexual power cards. And why.
You can’t lie. He’s seen it all. He’ll know. And your erect penis [you have a penis, he has a cock] won’t LET you.
You’ll need plenty of courage to face him. But ask him ‘where you stand’ [especially with Karen] and you admit that HE decides your status. And all because his cock [and cockiness] dwarfs your penis. So is he right, Owl? What do you think?
He may say, ‘you just admitted that you WANT and NEED me to lift this whole thing off your hands. Didn’t you.’
If he does, what will you say?
'I said “DIDN’T you.”’
If he does, what will you say?
Meeting him could take tremendous courage.
After the bar booth, he could make things very difficult. ... him off and he might throw that in your face. ‘She’s already had my fingers up her, and that worked out fine. Why not a cock that’s actually good for her? If you don't know she needs it, why are you even here?
If he does, what will you say?
I’ve given you some strong stuff here. I’m not trying to drive you into the ground. I think my writing shows that I have always respected you as a person. I leave the decisions to you. I lay out things to consider – if you want.
If you’re intent on going, no one can stop you. But I advise against not considering what you may face.
Part 2 should be shorter, but likely harder. I’ll try to get it out to you in a timely manner. You should see it before hitting the bar again.
Know that you have my respect.
Take care. Night Owl!
Thank you for the advice as always. Might cock was hard as you explain the different choices, the thought of meeting him in the bar is what I want to do I believe where I can tell him how turn on we both been since that night at the bar. Admitting to him I know that he fingered her pussy and had on the verge of a organism when he quit. I will most likely admit that ever since he showed me his cock I realized Karen deserves you. Maybe we sit in the same both as we were that night but he has me were Karen was sitting trap against the wall so I can`t leave until he says. I think I`m surrendering Karen and myself not knowing what my role might be but she will be sexually satisfied something she been lacking for many years. I`m ready for part two knowing you're not going to hold on the decision I`m considering. Dave
Thank-you, Dave.
You’ve made a very honest reply. Everything I posted resonated with you very much.
You say, ‘I think I’m surrendering Karen and myself…’ You’re WELL beyond that. Whatever will you had to resist collapsed already. Hasn’t it. You hold no cards. And since you said that your ‘cock was hard,’ I remind you – you don’t have a cock. You have a penis. HE has a cock. You know why and how that matters. Am I right? Yep!
I said that Part 2 takes a totally different direction. Because given what is at stake, I would be in the wrong NOT to make the opposite case. There are things to discuss here. And they need to be discussed with Karen. But that comes in my PM. It's ready now, but I'll send it only AFTER you finish Part 2.
Since you have no will or strength to resist, I’ll giving you some. Without that, your decision is made already. You would be in front of him to learn ‘where you stand’ but ‘what you’re supposed to do.’ On your own, you’re a goner. The PM will be more like Part I.
We return to yours in post #52. Here is the gist.
- Karen was surprised that you let him corner her.
- She didn’t look so upset or anxious to get away [when she really was trapped].
- Her 'trapped' situation seemed like an ‘excuse’ for not stopping it – and it seemed fairly clear it was happening.
- You asked if she’d have gone with him had he not suddenly quit and said ‘good night.’
- You said, ‘I think that just made her want him more.’ [I'm sure it did].
- But was the ‘attention’ thing an excuse to accept what she really wanted? We have to go into that deep.
I advise against giving her ANY reason to feel at all responsible for what she almost certainly expected YOU to STOP!
Part 2 is here because I can’t tell which way she’s leaning. I have to know where that lies before going further down that road.
What if she DID want YOU to stop it? What if she didn’t cause a scene where everyone saw and people said -- ‘Oh look, his digits are in her pussy!’ What if she accepted a sexual assault in order to protect you, only to be told that 'you didn't make much of a struggle.' Yowzers! What if she FELT trapped because she WAS trapped? Pinned to a wall. His fingers inside her. And you didn’t act because????
- I wasn’t sure anything untoward was happening?
- I didn’t want to draw any more attention to this?
- I felt I had to hide my shamefully tiny erection?
This isn’t about guessing Karen’s wants. This is about her telling you what she wanted and wants. This means that the real issues must be broached with her. You need to hear HER thoughts FULLY and HONESTLY.
You are right that suddenly quitting, saying ‘good night’ and walking away would make her want him more. It would make her want him a LOT, LOT more. That is, IF she actually did want him in the first place. But that’s the rub. I don't know either way.
So, she didn’t say if she felt his cock [the right word] throbbing as he worked her pussy.
That’s fair. But you don’t say whether or how she answered about going with him had he not left. Please help with that. I think that may hold some insight – WITH how she said it. What if she was smoldering in resentment and shame? If she was and you take her back anyway, that could drive you and Karen apart. If she kept quiet to protect you while you refused to protect her, and then suggest that she needed to fight harder? If I did that, my respect from my wife would take a serious hit. So again, I recommend very strongly that you really, really want to understand that bar booth episode.
But there’s another issue here. This is the biggest of all.
Whether Karen became aroused, or how aroused doesn’t matter. The truth is, women sometimes experience arousal during medical examinations. There is no emotional involvement at all. Yet purely routine examinations sometimes make women orgasmic. We're talking examinations done strictly by the book. The women in question may have absolutely no desire for this. It is a purely physiological response. Probably plenty of them are mortified by it!
Even during ......, women have experienced very powerful orgasms. They have absolutely no desire for the ...... or the orgasms. Women have been confused, humiliated and horrified by that response. But no emotional investment is involved. The response [when it happens at all] is purely physiological. There are receptors. Pressure fires them. There are not many solid medical studies here. Studies exist, but they’re not on medical sites. That’s because they turn up more in trauma and therapy sites. Why? These are assault cases. Even if they are orgasmic, assaults are not wanted, and most assuredly not acceptable.
Now Dave, I'm not suggesting that you've let him ...... Karen. If you thought he was assaulting Karen? My guess? Well -- I'll put it this way: If I was on the jury when you landed in court for busting his beer stein on his head, I’m STILL not voting any time in jail for you! Not even if she WAS aroused. And from what you’ve said so far, that isn’t clear to me. It not about arousal; it’s about consent. No consent, no games. There are rapists who learn all the best ways to make women orgasm even during ...... and then claim that because there was climax, it wasn't ....... Guess what! Without consent, it actually IS ....... It is sexual assault.
You love Karen more than your own life. You can’t break her heart, David. No matter how hard, this must be broached with her. And yes, that's also where the PM comes to the rescue.
Touching Karen intimately makes his intentions crystal clear. Returning there with Karen leaves no question what you’re doing. Picking another watering hole at least lets her think … ‘from what I said, Dave figured out things.’
So WHERE you take her NEXT is simply huge.
If you two return to the bar now, she’ll have every right to assume that ‘Dave is setting me up for this.’ Please just be aware of what’s at stake in whether you return to THIS little bar.
You have already said that ‘…meeting him in the bar is what I want to do.' That is your decision. I will support you in whatever you decide. But I urge you – weigh these things and get back to me before proceeding. Please convince me that you have considered Part 2 well, and what it may mean for your relationship with Karen.
My PM ‘third option’ is ready. But I won’t send it until AFTER I hear back from you on Part 2. Part 2 is a call for serious reflection and to include not only your desire to bow to him, but also to fully include Karen as well. I wanted this part to pull just as hard in the other direction.
That is Part 2. Thank you for reading.
Don’t feel beaten up by this, David. That’s not the point. It’s because this is Karen. For her – the world!
You made it this far? Whew! Good man!
Take care and be well, David.
Hi So many things to think about and they seem to all come back I want the best for Karen to feel like she a desirable so much so that I man will try anything to get her surrender to him he her alpha. I know some of my thoughts I am making them with my cock the thought of surrendering my wife and a maybe myself to him. Knowing once this happens, he has a lot of power over both us. The thought of him telling a friend that he has us and then word gets out that Karen is whore and I`m her cuck husband where will that lead. Where in a smaller community so the word could easily spread. Then the thought of him blackmailing us to serve him any way he sees fit so he he keeps quiet. This should have answered my question just typing this to you but My cock gets hard and excitement I feel I need go through with at least meeting for a couple drinks. Should I still go lone or bring Karen so she is in on the decision. Might not be my decision anyway she should talk him then tell me her decision. I have a feeling all she has thought about is his hand inside her panties working her clit and fingering her bring her close to and organism Thanks for responding and seeing this through with me. Dave
