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At first I felt my wife held back a bit and sort of emulated what our sex was like. She did and still has a tendency to "perform" for me at times. It can be an acknowledgement, a wink, doing something she knows I would like to see etc. It isn't all the time but in instances where she knows I am choosing not to participate just to be able to watch, those times are usually when she performs. She had one on one sex with her boyfriend a few times before the three of us got together. When we did get together it was MFM for the next several meetings but at one point I decided I was going to just watch that time and I told her in advance I was doing so and to just do whatever she wanted to do. In comparison to where we are now, she was a bit reserved but she definitely was performing for me but also enjoying herself at the same time. I had to trim this down quite a bit as she is very oral and it went on for awhile but you get the idea.
Damn! This guy is huge! How do you compare to him? Has your wife ever said anything about size to you?
 
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I have come to the conclusion that for a woman to have sex outside of her marriage it must offer some form of improvement, size, stamina, skill etc, not many would be game for worse than what they started with.
That makes sense really. I would imagine that new and different is good and that might be enough for some. I know this may come across as an over simplification but if you look at the whole deal as a sort of service instead of a threat to your relationship it becomes like any other service you seek. You'd always prefer the more skilled, properly equipped, hassle free, most reliable service you could find. When you apply that kind of thinking towards the person your wife would enjoy the most the same should apply.

The trick is either being into the kink deep enough or being mentally prepared to the best of your ability and still wanting it. Either way you still have to have faith in your wife to ward off difficult times that may arise (or at least that's what I think I would need). If those things were solid, and you're confident you and your wife are on the same page, then you'd be sorry if you didn't try it. Just my own personal take on it, nothing more.
 
That makes sense really. I would imagine that new and different is good and that might be enough for some. I know this may come across as an over simplification but if you look at the whole deal as a sort of service instead of a threat to your relationship it becomes like any other service you seek. You'd always prefer the more skilled, properly equipped, hassle free, most reliable service you could find. When you apply that kind of thinking towards the person your wife would enjoy the most the same should apply.

The trick is either being into the kink deep enough or being mentally prepared to the best of your ability and still wanting it. Either way you still have to have faith in your wife to ward off difficult times that may arise (or at least that's what I think I would need). If those things were solid, and you're confident you and your wife are on the same page, then you'd be sorry if you didn't try it. Just my own personal take on it, nothing more.
Not quite as clinical as that but I get the comparison. I use massage as an example, it is physical and intimate but outsourced, yet your spouse can still do it to you. New and different is fun and can likely hold interest short term but then it requires more buy in. As far as the trick, it is a balancing act at very best and a haunting addiction most often. I have never had a chemical addiction, don't do ......, don't smoke, drink very little, but I do imagine it is similar in that you are craving something you know is not beneficial to you, and possibly harmful, but you are just drawn there. Would I have been sorry if I never tried it, no. I would have known it was a better decision not to, but the overwhelming desire overcame rational thought. This was years in the making. It didn't come to a boil until I could not contain it any longer, I tried and it was simply not possible any longer. If I were able to to I would have resisted but it was not possible. I am speaking from my perspective. I imagine women could feel the same way and get in the lifestyle but I was not yearning for myself but to watch her have one really wild night and entertain me by having a threesome with two men. Never in my wildest dreams did I think I would be where things are and no threesome to watch.
 
While I am sure it is a pleasure for many men, I just do not feel it is something I would need to watch happen. Watching someone else's wife is fine but I don't need to see it happen to my wife. I think I will struggle with things enough without seeing it but I do believe I can withstand and my marriage can withstand this given the circumstance it would happen under. I am still struggling with how to present this option to my wife.
 
My first wife cheated regularly, we never worked out an arrangement, and we divorced. I think that if we had been open and honest, our marriage would have flourished. I loved sex with her and she loved it with me. If she had included me in her affairs and if I had suggested it, things could have been much different. I say this relative to this topic because, for me, being included in the wife's sexual escapades is essential. My first wife was so sexual that my presence would never have detracted from her enjoyment. No way she would feel the need to perform. I sort of think that she would have additional pleasure telling me how good the other guy(s) felt as I watched and participated.
 
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Honestly, I don't get when sometimes I see "It's about them... or when some go on about the hotwife's satisfaction is the main, sometimes only, thing that matters. I view that as selfish as fuck. You're still in a marriage. You went into this lifestyle as a couple to explore and BOTH enjoy. To say one only matters and you(the cuck) get no cares nor respect isn't quite right for me. I guess others can like or want what they want. This usually is the male fantasy kink. If it is mentioned, then it is responded to shy at first. Then it is discussed and then partaken with complete understanding it might go ok.

Role playing is one thing when wanting something like a "cheating" situation or you are looking to be treated in a humiliating or degraded way. However, I don't think in reality you want to REALLY believe your wife feels and thinks the things or else I'd be thinking about and seriously looking for a divorce departure quickly. I bet Mr. Bull doesn't step up to the plate to handle real Daddy ...... at home like you and him tried to do.

For me, The bull is nothing more than a human walking talking dildo to be used as a tool between a husband and a wife for fun. Their fun, not YOUR(the bull's) fun, not her fun. The moment you say "Fuck the cuck and what he wants. I'm the whatever and he gets what we give him." There's no respect in that for me. You're literally allowing someone to use your wife, you're allowing your wife to have intimate fun with someone other than you, both should recognize the reason in which they're allowed what they're doing. The bull shouldn't have anything to do with deciding anything other than showing up, providing a cock and agreeing to bareback or condom. Other than that, thankful to have a pussy or whatever to fuck.

If not, I'd be taking my exploited kink else where to find a lawyer and I'd be banging the young 24 yr old hottie down the street and cuming deep up in that tight little pussy on the face time video I send you. I bet the bull dumps your ass within a couple of months, if it takes that long.

Lots of marriages destroyed by this lifestyle, proceed with caution and understand what is "play"(role) and what is ok to actually being "real". "Your fucking cock is horrible and I can't stand having sex with your tiny little dick. His is so much longer, thicker, fills me up, actually makes me cum for real. I don't have to fake orgasms with him and all the cum he dumps deep in me is amazing." could possibly be a little true but in reality it doesn't go over well if that's REALLY how your wife feels about you. I would think you're take your "little dick" elsewhere along with your wallet that's providing all the ....... What do you have really if she really finds you disgusting?
 
Honestly, I don't get when sometimes I see "It's about them... or when some go on about the hotwife's satisfaction is the main, sometimes only, thing that matters. I view that as selfish as fuck. You're still in a marriage. You went into this lifestyle as a couple to explore and BOTH enjoy. To say one only matters and you(the cuck) get no cares nor respect isn't quite right for me. I guess others can like or want what they want. This usually is the male fantasy kink. If it is mentioned, then it is responded to shy at first. Then it is discussed and then partaken with complete understanding it might go ok.

Role playing is one thing when wanting something like a "cheating" situation or you are looking to be treated in a humiliating or degraded way. However, I don't think in reality you want to REALLY believe your wife feels and thinks the things or else I'd be thinking about and seriously looking for a divorce departure quickly. I bet Mr. Bull doesn't step up to the plate to handle real Daddy ...... at home like you and him tried to do.

For me, The bull is nothing more than a human walking talking dildo to be used as a tool between a husband and a wife for fun. Their fun, not YOUR(the bull's) fun, not her fun. The moment you say "Fuck the cuck and what he wants. I'm the whatever and he gets what we give him." There's no respect in that for me. You're literally allowing someone to use your wife, you're allowing your wife to have intimate fun with someone other than you, both should recognize the reason in which they're allowed what they're doing. The bull shouldn't have anything to do with deciding anything other than showing up, providing a cock and agreeing to bareback or condom. Other than that, thankful to have a pussy or whatever to fuck.

If not, I'd be taking my exploited kink else where to find a lawyer and I'd be banging the young 24 yr old hottie down the street and cuming deep up in that tight little pussy on the face time video I send you. I bet the bull dumps your ass within a couple of months, if it takes that long.

Lots of marriages destroyed by this lifestyle, proceed with caution and understand what is "play"(role) and what is ok to actually being "real". "Your fucking cock is horrible and I can't stand having sex with your tiny little dick. His is so much longer, thicker, fills me up, actually makes me cum for real. I don't have to fake orgasms with him and all the cum he dumps deep in me is amazing." could possibly be a little true but in reality it doesn't go over well if that's REALLY how your wife feels about you. I would think you're take your "little dick" elsewhere along with your wallet that's providing all the ....... What do you have really if she really finds you disgusting?
I'll stand by the notion that if BOTH parties don't get something they want out of the arrangement then failure is inevitable! Denial may be fun at the onset but when denial is an accepted routine then where is the thrill? After a husband/bf accepts that NOTHING is going to happen for him the thrill of taking it away loses its potency. So, often it seems that in order to keep the thrill alive that a continual ratcheting up of restriction has to take place.

The same thing happens with chastity or humiliation. When it becomes an expected routine and the husband/bf accepts the "reality" with no push back he has been broken. He isn't missing something he doesn't get any more. Where's the fun if the husband doesn't fight back or show the will to do so? He becomes a "non-factor"! They essentially have two choices, 1) They can continually escalate the indignities to maintain the thrill factor until the relationship collapses, or 2) They acknowledge that a "one-sided" situation has diminishing returns and a balance needs to be established.

In my observation there are a multitude of ways to fuck this up and only a handful of ways to make this work to the satisfaction of the couple. It's easy to ruin things. All it takes is selfishness, insensitivity and ignorance of consequence. In order to make it truly work and last requires the opposite and few possess the willingness to put out that kind of effort.
 
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I'll stand by the notion that if BOTH parties don't get something they want out of the arrangement then failure is inevitable! Denial may be fun at the onset but when denial is an accepted routine then where is the thrill? After a husband/bf accepts that NOTHING is going to happen for him the thrill of taking it away loses its potency. So, often it seems that in order to keep the thrill alive that a continual ratcheting up of restriction has to take place.

The same thing happens with chastity or humiliation. When it becomes an expected routine and the husband/bf accepts the "reality" with no push back he has been broken. He isn't missing something he doesn't get any more. Where's the fun if the husband doesn't fight back or show the will to do so? He becomes a "non-factor"! They essentially have two choices, 1) They can continually escalate the indignities to maintain the thrill factor until the relationship collapses, or 2) They acknowledge that a "one-sided" situation has diminishing returns and a balance needs to be established.

In my observation there are a multitude of ways to fuck this up and only a handful of ways to make this work to the satisfaction of the couple. It's easy to ruin things. All it takes is selfishness, insensitivity and ignorance of consequence. In order to make it truly work and last requires the opposite and few possess the willingness to put out that kind of effort.
As I read your comments, I thought that the husband's logical alternative would be to find another woman to play with. Could be a steady woman to meet for mutual satisfaction while he remains with the wife, or he could end up leaving the wife for her.

Overall, I agree that both parties have to get something out of the relationship. Personally, I could not accept denial even at the onset. Worse yet if dishonesty and cheating are involved. Husband and wife have to be attuned to each other's desires, and enjoy pleasure in seeing their partners realize those desires.
 
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As I read your comments, I thought that the husband's logical alternative would be to find another woman to play with. Could be a steady woman to meet for mutual satisfaction while he remains with the wife, or he could end up leaving the wife for her.

Overall, I agree that both parties have to get something out of the relationship. Personally, I could not accept denial even at the onset. Worse yet if dishonesty and cheating are involved. Husband and wife have to be attuned to each other's desires, and enjoy pleasure in seeing their partners realize those desires.
In a rare case I began a private message correspondence with a wife that consented to her husband taking on lovers. She began to feel the hypocrisy of years of her having unrestricted fun. She fully admitted that if the situation were reversed she couldn't accept it. She admitted that she was jealous. After years of having it her way she said she started to feel that she was denying her husband an opportunity for a thrilling experience that she had enjoyed greatly. Even further she said that over time her experience became comfortable enough to where it naturally became a known and anticipated experience.

She said she realized that her husband stayed supportive and she began to desire to extend that support to her husband herself. The way she described it, it didn't sound so much like a "reward" for his behavior as it was a selfless act to give her husband an opportunity she had enjoyed so much. She said that she felt bad that she couldn't ask herself to do what her husband had done for her.

That resulted in her husband seeing a gf whenever she's out of town on business and doing her thing while away. She admitted that the first few times were excruciating. She wanted to call it all off. She said if her husband could deal with it so could she, and she toughed it out. She said the experience gave her a VERY good idea of what her husband might of felt and the things her had to mentally deal with. In the end she felt better about enjoying her AMAZING experience while her husband was having the same opportunity.

My exchange in correspondence with this wife was incredible. I always believed that women would realize the "one-sidedness" of their situation and change their previous attitudes they had going into the hotwife/cuckold relationship. Often in forums you read about escalation as a progression. It's natural. You don't often read about a wife that knows she's had it GREAT and KNOWS to keep her good thing going she has to make sure her husband is happy too. I know that can take a lot of forms but a good wife, one that loves her husband, should know when he's happy or not. It is not much of a relationship if BOTH of you DON'T want to make each other happy.
 
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Honestly, I don't get when sometimes I see "It's about them... or when some go on about the hotwife's satisfaction is the main, sometimes only, thing that matters. I view that as selfish as fuck. You're still in a marriage. You went into this lifestyle as a couple to explore and BOTH enjoy. To say one only matters and you(the cuck) get no cares nor respect isn't quite right for me. I guess others can like or want what they want. This usually is the male fantasy kink. If it is mentioned, then it is responded to shy at first. Then it is discussed and then partaken with complete understanding it might go ok.

Role playing is one thing when wanting something like a "cheating" situation or you are looking to be treated in a humiliating or degraded way. However, I don't think in reality you want to REALLY believe your wife feels and thinks the things or else I'd be thinking about and seriously looking for a divorce departure quickly. I bet Mr. Bull doesn't step up to the plate to handle real Daddy ...... at home like you and him tried to do.

For me, The bull is nothing more than a human walking talking dildo to be used as a tool between a husband and a wife for fun. Their fun, not YOUR(the bull's) fun, not her fun. The moment you say "Fuck the cuck and what he wants. I'm the whatever and he gets what we give him." There's no respect in that for me. You're literally allowing someone to use your wife, you're allowing your wife to have intimate fun with someone other than you, both should recognize the reason in which they're allowed what they're doing. The bull shouldn't have anything to do with deciding anything other than showing up, providing a cock and agreeing to bareback or condom. Other than that, thankful to have a pussy or whatever to fuck.

If not, I'd be taking my exploited kink else where to find a lawyer and I'd be banging the young 24 yr old hottie down the street and cuming deep up in that tight little pussy on the face time video I send you. I bet the bull dumps your ass within a couple of months, if it takes that long.

Lots of marriages destroyed by this lifestyle, proceed with caution and understand what is "play"(role) and what is ok to actually being "real". "Your fucking cock is horrible and I can't stand having sex with your tiny little dick. His is so much longer, thicker, fills me up, actually makes me cum for real. I don't have to fake orgasms with him and all the cum he dumps deep in me is amazing." could possibly be a little true but in reality it doesn't go over well if that's REALLY how your wife feels about you. I would think you're take your "little dick" elsewhere along with your wallet that's providing all the ....... What do you have really if she really finds you disgusting?
Perfect response. We do this together, always together. We have a guy friend we get with. All 3 of us enjoy everything that happens. There's nothing negative, no humiliation, it's not cuckold at all. We take turns with her and she loves it. He gets more sex time but I get plenty. He has a bigger dick and it's easy to see she likes sex with him a LOT. She's never say anything about his bigger size, if he's better or anything that might make me feel inferior. She just says it's different. She's horny as hell for days after so we have a lot of good sex after he's been with us.
 
Honestly, I don't get when sometimes I see "It's about them... or when some go on about the hotwife's satisfaction is the main, sometimes only, thing that matters. I view that as selfish as fuck. You're still in a marriage. You went into this lifestyle as a couple to explore and BOTH enjoy. To say one only matters and you(the cuck) get no cares nor respect isn't quite right for me. I guess others can like or want what they want. This usually is the male fantasy kink. If it is mentioned, then it is responded to shy at first. Then it is discussed and then partaken with complete understanding it might go ok.

Role playing is one thing when wanting something like a "cheating" situation or you are looking to be treated in a humiliating or degraded way. However, I don't think in reality you want to REALLY believe your wife feels and thinks the things or else I'd be thinking about and seriously looking for a divorce departure quickly. I bet Mr. Bull doesn't step up to the plate to handle real Daddy ...... at home like you and him tried to do.

For me, The bull is nothing more than a human walking talking dildo to be used as a tool between a husband and a wife for fun. Their fun, not YOUR(the bull's) fun, not her fun. The moment you say "Fuck the cuck and what he wants. I'm the whatever and he gets what we give him." There's no respect in that for me. You're literally allowing someone to use your wife, you're allowing your wife to have intimate fun with someone other than you, both should recognize the reason in which they're allowed what they're doing. The bull shouldn't have anything to do with deciding anything other than showing up, providing a cock and agreeing to bareback or condom. Other than that, thankful to have a pussy or whatever to fuck.

If not, I'd be taking my exploited kink else where to find a lawyer and I'd be banging the young 24 yr old hottie down the street and cuming deep up in that tight little pussy on the face time video I send you. I bet the bull dumps your ass within a couple of months, if it takes that long.

Lots of marriages destroyed by this lifestyle, proceed with caution and understand what is "play"(role) and what is ok to actually being "real". "Your fucking cock is horrible and I can't stand having sex with your tiny little dick. His is so much longer, thicker, fills me up, actually makes me cum for real. I don't have to fake orgasms with him and all the cum he dumps deep in me is amazing." could possibly be a little true but in reality it doesn't go over well if that's REALLY how your wife feels about you. I would think you're take your "little dick" elsewhere along with your wallet that's providing all the ....... What do you have really if she really finds you disgusting?
I agree with your sentiment on this one. While my wife does enjoy cocks larger than mine, she has never humiliated me in any way. Denial, humiliation, etc. are all off the table for us. There have been a few men that misinterpreted our intentions and attempted some type of alpha dog or humiliation. None of those men ever got the pleasure of enjoying what my wife has to offer.

My wife has done a great job ensuring that I get what I need while she enjoys fucking other men. We both talk constantly about how to best meet each other’s needs. This lifestyle is never fully free from bumps in the road, but the pros definitely outweigh the cons for us.
 
I have not watched. We don't do this very often and it is not a regular thing. As much as I want to watch so badly and she wants me to watch it is hard to actually imaging getting past the shame of facing the man. Looking him in the eye and facing them after we are done. It both excites me and scared the ...... out of me...
 
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I have not watched. We don't do this very often and it is not a regular thing. As much as I want to watch so badly and she wants me to watch it is hard to actually imaging getting past the shame of facing the man. Looking him in the eye and facing them after we are done. It both excites me and scared the ...... out of me...
Most gentlemen I have met who fucked my wife in front of me or without me there were very cordial and appreciative of the opportunity to spend time with her. There were a couple who thought they might be superior, but they were quickly corrected.
 
I agree with your sentiment on this one. While my wife does enjoy cocks larger than mine, she has never humiliated me in any way. Denial, humiliation, etc. are all off the table for us. There have been a few men that misinterpreted our intentions and attempted some type of alpha dog or humiliation. None of those men ever got the pleasure of enjoying what my wife has to offer.

My wife has done a great job ensuring that I get what I need while she enjoys fucking other men. We both talk constantly about how to best meet each other’s needs. This lifestyle is never fully free from bumps in the road, but the pros definitely outweigh the cons for us.
I highlighted above....our regular friend is a super cool guy, that's why it works.
We've only done this with him many times, different local guy 3 times and one other guy one time.

2nd guy, stranger out of town. Hotel bar, was not planned at all, we had never talked about hooking up with anyone. Hotel bar 2 drin.ks in, we chat with anyone that seems friendly. Business guy in the bar, cool guy staying at same hotel. Talk turned sexy, another dri.nk. My wife had a nice buzz going and she was WAY into the idea of hooking up with him. I said I'd ask him, while getting up the nerve I ran to bathroom. When I returned she had already asked him. He was very into having only her join him in his room but she said WE do this together. He said ok and we went up to his room. She was super turned on, they were making our like crazy. She took her top and bra off, undid his pants and held his dick. He looked at me and said I needed to leave. She stood up put her top on, bra in her hand and we left. Huge buzz ki.ll but it wasn't what we were looking for.

3rd guy, local guy our age, a guy we'd see at functions we do locally. Divorced, super nice guy. We were enjoying a b.eer at a local sports place with him, we'd done this before. My wife asked me if I thought we might invite him to our home. We'd done this many many times with couples we met out and about (nothing sexual at all ever). I thought sure not knowing what she was thinking. I agreed and she looked at me and said how about around 7 ? I was thinking right now (it was 3-ish), I looked at her and she said something like...it might be fun, then I understood.
He showed up, we were visiting with bee.r in the kitchen, she looked at me and said will you ask him? I was scared for sure, I told him that sometimes we like some extra fun. He just looked puzzled. She added in our bedroom. He about died, I felt very weird. He looked at me like wtf ? I said just think about it. About 30 seconds of silence he asked what do you have in mind? My wife put her arms around him and said something like...join us in our bedroom.
We did it 3 different times with him, once at our place and 2 at his. I thought it went well but wife likes it with our original guy so that's what we do.