Any advice for next steps?

Most of what you said here resonates with me and my wife. She couldn't really understand why I would want to do this, not body confident etc. She didn't, however, doubt my intentions or that I would be 100% loyal. I think that it was a matter of catching her at the right moment/mood. If she was feeling horny, then she would definitely be more receptive. It really is about a slowly, slowly approach. Keep convincing her about your intentions and feelings. She's welcome to speak to me/us at any stage to understand how it worked for us and hopefully calm her fears. My wife really enjoyed the encounters once she had agreed to try.
Yes, this is true. When horny, she'll be more open to talk about it. But for now, its very fresh and I dropped a big bomb and I'll leave it for a bit and see if she mentions something about it... for example during sex, or when we're out or she's kinda flirty with someone (she does that regularly...)
 
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Yes, this is true. When horny, she'll be more open to talk about it. But for now, its very fresh and I dropped a big bomb and I'll leave it for a bit and see if she mentions something about it... for example during sex, or when we're out or she's kinda flirty with someone (she does that regularly...)
If you can just convince her to try a bit more than flirting with somebody that she feels comfortable with, then that might be a route into great pleasures. I've absolutely loved witnessing my wife getting fucked in front of me.
 
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UPDATE

Now, an interesting thing happened. We were watching a TV show. What's it about is a few couple are separated and each stay for 2 weeks in a resort only with hot singles of the other sex to party for 2 week to test their relationship, fidilidy, trust, etc. They get imagery from whay their partner is doing in the other resort occasionally you can imagine what can happen. Obviously entertaining…

During an episode we talked about some stuff that happened on this show. Couple of guys got upset when they saw imagery of their gf flirting with other dudes on the other resort. We talked about how we would react. She said I would see footage of her strongly flirting with all of these guys… and then “but I guess you’d find that hot. In fact, you’d like to see images of me fucking with someone”… now, she said it very playfully and kinda jokingly.

I responded: “well, what I'm after is kind of different. For one: I dont’t want you to have an affair with some other guys and do it behind my back. What I meant is it something that adds to what we already have. And second, I’d like to be there to watch…”

Her response: “well, that’s not how you said it last time”. Kind of playful too. She was referring to her fucking someone without me there…

I guess a good sign… she's thinking about it.
But I just feel like there's a hurdle in there somewhere we need to address that's her "been there, done that" and "I don't want to do that kind of stuff any more, as I'm happy where I am"...

But she's kind of worried that I'm having "a very early midlife crisis" her not wanting to "experiment" might cause me to look to other to do that behind her back. If not now, than maybe in 10 years.
 
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UPDATE

Now, an interesting thing happened. We were watching a TV show. What's it about is a few couple are separated and each stay for 2 weeks in a resort only with hot singles of the other sex to party for 2 week to test their relationship, fidilidy, trust, etc. They get imagery from whay their partner is doing in the other resort occasionally you can imagine what can happen. Obviously entertaining…

During an episode we talked about some stuff that happened on this show. Couple of guys got upset when they saw imagery of their gf flirting with other dudes on the other resort. We talked about how we would react. She said I would see footage of her strongly flirting with all of these guys… and then “but I guess you’d find that hot. In fact, you’d like to see images of me fucking with someone”… now, she said it very playfully and kinda jokingly.

I responded: “well, what I'm after is kind of different. For one: I dont’t want you to have an affair with some other guys and do it behind my back. What I meant is it something that adds to what we already have. And second, I’d like to be there to watch…”

Her response: “well, that’s not how you said it last time”. Kind of playful too. She was referring to her fucking someone without me there…

I guess a good sign… she's thinking about it.
But I just feel like there's a hurdle in there somewhere we need to address that's her "been there, done that" and "I don't want to do that kind of stuff any more, as I'm happy where I am"...

But she's kind of worried that I'm having "a very early midlife crisis" her not wanting to "experiment" might cause me to look to other to do that behind her back. If not now, than maybe in 10 years.
‘She doesn't understand though, as she says that she cannot imagine me fucking other women and her watching...’

I would follow up with something on the order of…

‘You’re right. I don’t understand it either. All I know is that for me, absolutely nothing on this planet is hotter! So I don’t know why. But WOW—does it ever work for me!’

I’d let her process this herself and at her own pace. But whenever she pulls up this when you’re together, throw everything you’ve got into it. Let HER mind draw the conclusion that when she brings up this, you are helpless NOT to go ape-crazy and that this makes it best for HER!
 
I can definitely agree with your points above Anthony especially the why would you want your wife to fuck another man , my wife and I have similar situation, my wife seems to have a very contradicting view on things and the dynamics between man and wife re sex . For example in our past I have had 3 sums , done some swinging and had kinky partners , my wife has fucked her sisters fiance , cheated on her last partner , another was taking her anally only , another took his cock out in his office , fucked another guy at her work - but ONLY my past causes issues between us - I had over a period of time starting with jokingly saying about her past and things like - I wish I’d been a fly on the wall when that boss took out his cock etc , she went along with it and she enquired about my swinging days - how did you meet , where , when etc wanting to know details - obviously as a dumb guy I spilled the beans only to be labelled as disgusting etc I’m only wanting to sleep with other women and how could you watch someone else have your wife etc, so I planted the seed and let it grow and grow and grow with the occasional mention usually with humour , so she has known of my desire to share her / watch her for a while now all the time ensuring she knows I’m not interested in other women etc and only want her to have the maximum pleasure , it has also led like yourself from a statement when your interest surfaced , then she realises you are actually serious about it to heated rows and arguments where you are a dirty bastard , I would say in summary that after planting the seed with occasional waterings , sometimes a slut tree will grow and bear fruit other times it will just wither and die , but during which you get all the manure 😀😀😀😀😀
 
UPDATE

So somewhere last week; we had a real conversation about the fantasy and what I'd really like. Unlike the initial reactions she had when we spoke about this (as mentioned above), she actually got pretty upset this time. Now, we talked about it some more the day after and again yesterday. She's quite upset about it and a couple of topics come up:

1. She doesn't understand why I would want to share. She would never want to share me with other women.

2. She's "been there done that" when it comes to experimenting with sexuality and doesn't want to now.

3. She's worried about me pursuing these things anyway and then outside our marriage. I'm younger than she (33 vs 38) and have not "been there and done that" and she's worried about that. It's also a trust thing, as a few years ago (after we just got together) it became apparent that her father cheated on her mother and her brother to his wife... so she's quite open about the fact that this plays a serious role in her mind.

4. We've had quite a downer in our sex life for some years actually. This was after our son was born, but then kind of enhanced when her parents ended up in a very, very nasty divorce. This effects is in two ways: (i) she is very insecure about her body. Her stomach is not firm and smooth any more, where it always was. And she hates this. She doesn't like her body image and it's very hard to convince her that she's beautiful and it's mostly just in her head. And (ii) our sex life really in the last half year picked up again. She literally said that she'd really be unhappy if she would have sex with another guy.

Now, there was some emotion in this. I've ready a lot of threads on this process and most of the responses I guess are fairly common. Especially the first one. I guess this will take some time (or never materialise).

My plan is to 'lay low' for a while now. I've been able to explain my fantasy more and why I would like it. I've expressed my 1000% committment to her very clearly and frequently. I guess for now I just need to let it sink in with her and see what happens after a while and if she'll bring it up again.

But, I'm reaching out for advice anyway. Does the above story sound familiar with anybody.
Any advice in how to proceed?
I'm kind of reluctant for now to bring it up again, as she's been clear and I don't want to appear pushy.
All those things came up when I first mentioned it to my wife. However I now know she does trust me that I do not want another women involved. My wife also went through a period of low self esteem. Ironically pursuing a cuckold fantasy shattered it. But it is still just fantasy, apart from me pointing out to my wife that her imagining being fucked by previous lovers makes her wetter than ever. Pussy don't lie I say to her. which she coyly admits
 
‘She doesn't understand though, as she says that she cannot imagine me fucking other women and her watching...’

I would follow up with something on the order of…

‘You’re right. I don’t understand it either. All I know is that for me, absolutely nothing on this planet is hotter! So I don’t know why. But WOW—does it ever work for me!’

I’d let her process this herself and at her own pace. But whenever she pulls up this when you’re together, throw everything you’ve got into it. Let HER mind draw the conclusion that when she brings up this, you are helpless NOT to go ape-crazy and that this makes it best for HER!
Thanks for your advice.
I think its also breaking that ‘been there done that’ stance she’s taken… she seems to have closed that chapter of her life when she was a free single woman having fun, when we started our relationship.
 
This may be a minority viewpoint on here, but it's been my experience that "less is more" in many cases. I say "many cases" because I have done this with my wife, two ex-wives, and three girlfriends. All 3 of the wives, and one of the girlfriends were solidly "good girl" types. Conservative, modest, and initially said "No way."

My opinion is that unless you were both drunk when these conversations took place, she is not likely to forget about it. It ferments in the privacy and safety of her inner world. There, she can think about it, even fantasize about it, without having to admit that it turns her on. Admitting it to you can be a big risk. Men don't always know what they really want. I'll speak for myself, but maybe it will resonate with you if you think about it honestly. In my case, much as I was always hot for it, if my wife had immediately jumped on the idea and been eager to accommodate, I'm pretty sure it wouldn't have gone as well in the long term. For me, a big part of the turn-on originates in what psychologists call the Madonna-Whore, Or as Tammy Wynette put it, "An angel on Sunday morning, a devil on Saturday night." Her hesitancy and initial refusals are likely to pay off for you both in the long term.

For her, she can hold onto the idea that she didn't "really" want to, that she did it to please you, and that absent your desires, she would have never had ANY interest in any other man. Yeah. Right. All those women who secretly cheat behind their husbands' backs liked to think of themselves that way too, just found other justification for their behavior. For you, her hesitancy furthers the "Madonna" part of the complex, which makes it all the hotter when the whore comes out to play.

By encourage and support, I mean just be open and supportive of the idea when it comes up. Maybe give it an opportunity to come up sometimes, but don't be too pushy with it. But also don't completely forget about talking about it yourself, lest she decide you were just talking shit and didn't really mean it. Perhaps just gently mention sometime, during an amorous moment, that you were serious about how it turns you on and excites you to think about. Don't be disappointed if she says, "Yeah, well you can forget about it, because it will never happen." Just go with it. Perhaps something along the lines of "Yeah, probably not. I heard you on that. But just so you know, it really does excite me and if something like that ever does happen, I'll love it!"

Hopefully, one day, totally unexpectedly, she'll say something like my wife did. "Were you really serious about that?" If so, calmly acknowledge that yes, you were, and wait for her to ask the other questions that she'll have been pondering. Then maybe, hours later, when you're in bed, tell her you've been thinking about her question all day and that it's been exciting you to know she was wondering about it. How it made you wonder if maybe she has someone in mind, etc.
That's great advice. Thanks a lot. So what would you consider "support" and "encouragement"? Pointing out other guys to start the conversation on this? Or would you think this is too much "pressure"?
 
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Yes, this is true. When horny, she'll be more open to talk about it. But for now, its very fresh and I dropped a big bomb and I'll leave it for a bit and see if she mentions something about it... for example during sex, or when we're out or she's kinda flirty with someone (she does that regularly...)
Ask her to imagine that another guy is fucking her next time you fuck her. See how she reacts. If she is turned on. Ask her while you're inside her. Is that what you want another cock in your pussy
 
By encourage and support, I mean just be open and supportive of the idea when it comes up. Maybe give it an opportunity to come up sometimes, but don't be too pushy with it.
How would you mean "give it an opportunity to come up sometimes"?
Like when we're having sex and introducing the dildo some times? or do you have other things in mind?
 
our experience was similar. I found that trying to convince goes no where. simply putting the idea out there as something you're completely open to without a like-for-like experience and not pushing a timeline or narrative allowed her to explore on her own (with support along the way). good luck to you
 
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I'm 33 years old. My wife slightly older at 38. We're together now for 8 years and we have a son (6).

Basically my wife, 5"4 tall, slim (size 4), blonde, C-cup, and very hot (although I'm biased), before we got a relationship was not shy of being a single woman with (several) FWB situations going on. She's into the bad-boy kind of thing and has shared that in the past with a guys she has done a MFM threesome.

I'm not of the bad-boy breed. A regular guy, well educated, entrepreneur, good job, very good income and in all aspects of what I do not considered "sub" or anything of the sort, but in general by all as very "reliable, trustworthy, etc.". Now after years of fooling around with not-marriage-material-guys, she settled down with me. Our relationship is generally good and strong.

Now, over the years her sex drive has gone down. Whereas at the beginning of our relationship we knew our way around the bedroom, we now have sex on average every other week or so. Not that often. The sex is good though, but more in the "making love" category, than "pounding, hardcore porno sex"... let's say the kind of sex she used to have with all her past FWB-types.

To cut to the chase, I'm a safe haven for her. We have a son and a family and she will not want to jeopardise that. When referring to her past threesome, she claims not really to be into that, because "it's a lot of work" for her.
;)


Now, I know I'm a very decent lover, but I'm not champions league. I think that for her that is absolutely fine and we have a good thing going, but given her past I think there is more beneath the surface that can come out if given the chance.

But, after the pregnancy of our son she gained weight and stopped finding herself attractive. Now, she's lost the extra weight (she's a size 4), but her stomach/belly is not as tight as it used to be and she's (unnecessarily) insecure about her body and still thinks she's not that good-looking when in reality she really is.
That is a blocking factor too... she will need to overcome showing her body to somebody else too.

I've been fantasizing about hotwifing/cuckolding for a long time now.

So a whileback we were out, just the two of us, having a nice dinner and staying at a hotel. Had a great time, couple of glasses of wine.

Some small background. My wife doesn't like porn and doesn't appreciate me watching it. She said so eary on in our relationship.

Now, we get back to our hotel room and start the fun. We're full into foreplay, almost fully naked, when she - out of nowhere - surprises me with a question if I ever watch porn. I was kind of stumbled, so she knew I'd be lying if I'd say now... She starts asking all kinds of quesitons about how often, what kind of porn, etc. Not in a bad way, still in a teasing sexy way - we're continuing foreplay.

I'm kind of surprised by all of this and don't really know what to do. I tell her I image it's her in the porn.
-But she still continues to ask what kind of porn.
-Lame as me says: you know, a girl getting fucked good.
-She starts asking so, one guys, two guys, three guys...
-Me: yes
-She: 3 guys?
-Me: Yes
-She: would you want me to fuck three guys?
-Me: Yes
-She: and you would be okey with that?
-Me: Yes
-She: Well that's not going to happen? I just want want cock and that's yours

This then kind of spiralled into us having very good, steaming sex...
Afterwards there was only some comment that she did not understand why I needed to watch porn. She doesn't and doesn't masturbate... but nothing further.


A few days ago, we had a hot session. I gave her a massage, which ended in me fucking her with a good dildo, while she sucked me off... We've never done this and this was our first 'split-roast' kind of thing.

The day after, after a couple of drinks, she comes back to the porn thing and she asked me if I really wanted that. Her with other guys. I told her yes and we had a good conversation about what exactly my fantasy was, and why.

She didn't get upset and the conversation was good. I told her and now she knows. She doesn't understand though, as she says that she cannot imagine me fucking other women and her watching... I told her that's not what my fantasy was. It's about seeing her.

We had a fantastic fuck.

Afterwards she says that she will need some time to digest and process this. This is my fantasy, not hers and she would is not - yet - willing to go down this path... She had some concerns about me pursuing this fantasy outside our relationship. I told her I was not interested in that, because I want to see her, not somebody else; that's the whole point.

There are some openings ("if we were ever to do this, I'd be doing it for you, not me"). But also some hesitations ("what if I don't want this and you do, then what?")

I guess it needs some time, but would like to know if any couple or hotwifes have any experiences to share that recognize this situation?
Let’s have some fun with her
 
Why would a woman read my stuff and NOT WANT the sex life I have? I have a great career, great marriage, all the stuff. I just absolutely love sex and don't want to stop.
Well, that's certainly what I'm going for with her... I've read some of your stuff and it would be great if we were to ever achieve that.

By this I mean, and I'm sure there are other more mature women on the site who would agree, she's ONLY 38 !! OMG!! Those are women's peak sexual desire years! Is she really finished with sex?? Just like being out of shape, people have taken a very long time to get there and they've found it comfortable now and the battle back to fitness to be too daunting. It's the same way I believe with sex. Once you get used to living without sexual excitement, you can't imagine being sexually active again. I don't mean sex with a spouse twice a month either, I mean real, sexual adventure!
Yes, exactly... My biggest struggle is that she's somehow put it into her mind that she doesn't want sexual adventure any more because she's now married, has a job, a house, a family and is nearing 40... Her position is that she's "been there and done that"...

I don't really get it. It's not like the talks about her single year of having fun with guys as terrible in any way... it always sparks a twinkle in her eyes...
She's certainly enjoyed that time of her life.

And I believe her that she's now in a better place with having all of this stuff in her life sorted out... I just don't get why not add in that sexual exitement and adventure too...

Bottom line, she has to want to have exciting sex again and then she needs affirmative, baby steps to get there. I say this all of the time on here as well. There all all sorts of beautiful women with all sorts of bodies who play and enjoy being hotwives. But, THEY ARE COMFORTABLE being who they are. It's clear your wife is NOT COMFORTABLE with her body and it's really an easy enough change to get her there. Start with that. Once she FEELS HOT she will see that others notice and feel sexier and perhaps more open to exploring sex with her newfound energy.
Well... that's exactly what I want for her. There is absolutely no reason why she should not be comfortable with her body. I've been trying to make her feel hot and sexier for years... but I guess me being her husband is not giving her confidence she needs... I try pointing out others looking at her (which is true), but she writes it off as not true...

Thanks for your advice, though Mrs. Hotwife.
I'm convinced at some level she is 100% open for this, but has blockages in her mind.
Any tips on how to further increase her self esteem?
 
Well, that's certainly what I'm going for with her... I've read some of your stuff and it would be great if we were to ever achieve that.


Yes, exactly... My biggest struggle is that she's somehow put it into her mind that she doesn't want sexual adventure any more because she's now married, has a job, a house, a family and is nearing 40... Her position is that she's "been there and done that"...

I don't really get it. It's not like the talks about her single year of having fun with guys as terrible in any way... it always sparks a twinkle in her eyes...
She's certainly enjoyed that time of her life.

And I believe her that she's now in a better place with having all of this stuff in her life sorted out... I just don't get why not add in that sexual exitement and adventure too...


Well... that's exactly what I want for her. There is absolutely no reason why she should not be comfortable with her body. I've been trying to make her feel hot and sexier for years... but I guess me being her husband is not giving her confidence she needs... I try pointing out others looking at her (which is true), but she writes it off as not true...

Thanks for your advice, though Mrs. Hotwife.
I'm convinced at some level she is 100% open for this, but has blockages in her mind.
Any tips on how to further increase her self esteem?
Any tips on how to further increase her self esteem?

I don't know what her issues are but "body confidence" is something she can shape by beginning a strength and conditioning program and sticking with it. She can shape her body into something she's more comfortable with. Also (and I don't have scientific evidence for this) I believe that a proper fitness program and building "type 2" muscle at some point increases sex drive in women pretty dramatically. I see this in the lifestyle all of the time. It's "anecdotal" but there are many "fit" women in the lifestyle who have a sex drive similar to mine. That is ALWAYS a place to start because it's never going to be a waste of time for her health.

If her issues are "moral" then it would take a book for me to try to help her overcome those. It shouldn't be, really, but so many people are so invested in "morality" of sexual desire and fulfillment that they simply miss out on that pleasure in this one life they have to live. I don't get it, but I was never really exposed to lots of "religion" or anything and I was a bit sexually uninhibited from a young age (but not necessarily in the way you might imagine, read my stories). If she has psychological issues then I'm at a loss.

I don't think that you, as her husband, will give her the confidence she seeks and she will need some of that developed through other people. It's tough because you really mean those things you say to her but she thinks you have to say these things because you are her husband. I don't know your financial or other circumstances but if she was to take a trip to a "swinger" or nudist resort she would see that most women there are NOT barbie doll models or anything close to that. What they are is comfortable in their bodies and able to relax and enjoy spending time with so many other like-minded women and couples. If she could experience the liberation of a nude vacation for a week she would certainly lose some inhibitions and at least see what is out there.

Desire Riviera Maya and Desire Pearl in Cancun Mexico are fantastic as "swinger" or "lifestyle" resorts (NEVER any pressure to have sex) and Hidden Beach in Cancun is a "nudist" resort and very fun.

Mrs Hotwife
 
Any tips on how to further increase her self esteem?

I don't know what her issues are but "body confidence" is something she can shape by beginning a strength and conditioning program and sticking with it. She can shape her body into something she's more comfortable with. Also (and I don't have scientific evidence for this) I believe that a proper fitness program and building "type 2" muscle at some point increases sex drive in women pretty dramatically. I see this in the lifestyle all of the time. It's "anecdotal" but there are many "fit" women in the lifestyle who have a sex drive similar to mine. That is ALWAYS a place to start because it's never going to be a waste of time for her health.

If her issues are "moral" then it would take a book for me to try to help her overcome those. It shouldn't be, really, but so many people are so invested in "morality" of sexual desire and fulfillment that they simply miss out on that pleasure in this one life they have to live. I don't get it, but I was never really exposed to lots of "religion" or anything and I was a bit sexually uninhibited from a young age (but not necessarily in the way you might imagine, read my stories). If she has psychological issues then I'm at a loss.

I don't think that you, as her husband, will give her the confidence she seeks and she will need some of that developed through other people. It's tough because you really mean those things you say to her but she thinks you have to say these things because you are her husband. I don't know your financial or other circumstances but if she was to take a trip to a "swinger" or nudist resort she would see that most women there are NOT barbie doll models or anything close to that. What they are is comfortable in their bodies and able to relax and enjoy spending time with so many other like-minded women and couples. If she could experience the liberation of a nude vacation for a week she would certainly lose some inhibitions and at least see what is out there.

Desire Riviera Maya and Desire Pearl in Cancun Mexico are fantastic as "swinger" or "lifestyle" resorts (NEVER any pressure to have sex) and Hidden Beach in Cancun is a "nudist" resort and very fun.

Mrs Hotwife

Issues
We are both not relegious and have no psycho-issues. I think it's also less moral, but more to do with herself:
1) her self-esteem for her body and looks (objectively bullshit but not in her mind)
2) her having put sexual adventure in the "past" (been there, done that)
3) family life (we have a son)
4) trust issues (her dad cheated on her mom and caused a nasty devorce. This was only a few years ago, but left a mark. She's afraid I'll act out some sexual fantasies outside the marriage in some sort of midlife crisis. This is bullshit, but it's a fear she has). FYI; I've never done anything and we have a good relationship and hardy ever had any fights in our 9y relationship and she does fully trust me, but it's a fear she has

- and maybe the biggest -
5) she does not understand why I would want this? She does not want somebody that does not 100% want her and is committed to her, because in her mind she's translated my fantasy into this not being the case, when just the opposite is true...

Vacation
We were on vacation in the last weeks and - to my pleasant surprise - she (eventhough complaining somewhat) still wore a pretty skimpy bikini at the pool and beach and in absence sat in her bra and opened her shorts to get tanned... I don't think she would have done that some time ago!
Nudist and swinging resorts - although I would like it - is really not her thing unfortunately... at least, right now. I'd love to go there someday though.

Financial resources are not that big of a problem. Timing and family life is. I'd love to take her to some nice places, just the two of us, but that's difficult to achieve due to busy schedules/calenders/family life. Any tips here, a bit more subtle than a places where people are by default nude? :)

Thanks so much for your feedback in any case.
 
Issues
We are both not relegious and have no psycho-issues. I think it's also less moral, but more to do with herself:
1) her self-esteem for her body and looks (objectively bullshit but not in her mind)
2) her having put sexual adventure in the "past" (been there, done that)
3) family life (we have a son)
4) trust issues (her dad cheated on her mom and caused a nasty devorce. This was only a few years ago, but left a mark. She's afraid I'll act out some sexual fantasies outside the marriage in some sort of midlife crisis. This is bullshit, but it's a fear she has). FYI; I've never done anything and we have a good relationship and hardy ever had any fights in our 9y relationship and she does fully trust me, but it's a fear she has

- and maybe the biggest -
5) she does not understand why I would want this? She does not want somebody that does not 100% want her and is committed to her, because in her mind she's translated my fantasy into this not being the case, when just the opposite is true...

Vacation
We were on vacation in the last weeks and - to my pleasant surprise - she (eventhough complaining somewhat) still wore a pretty skimpy bikini at the pool and beach and in absence sat in her bra and opened her shorts to get tanned... I don't think she would have done that some time ago!
Nudist and swinging resorts - although I would like it - is really not her thing unfortunately... at least, right now. I'd love to go there someday though.

Financial resources are not that big of a problem. Timing and family life is. I'd love to take her to some nice places, just the two of us, but that's difficult to achieve due to busy schedules/calenders/family life. Any tips here, a bit more subtle than a places where people are by default nude? :)

Thanks so much for your feedback in any case.
As long as she thinks this is about "your relationship" and not simply about "sexual adventure and pleasure" then there aren't arguments to be made that will resolve her issues. Number 1 she can fix, number 2 is absurd because there's so much yet to be experienced and enjoyed, 3 shouldn't be a factor, he's not involved in your private sex life, 4 is really NOT YOU GUYS it's somebody else's life that happened in. I don't know how to fix that. You might ask if she has some "concerns" about your "relationship" and that you are a bit hurt and disappointed that she thinks you are capable of such a thing, that this comes from THE OPPOSITE place in a relationship. This COMES FROM TRUST and a desire for her to have pleasure and happiness in her sex life, and through that, both of you experience an even more satisfying relationship. A marriage without an active, satisfying sex life is kind of sad and I think leads to partners straying for sex elsewhere.

Listen, I read this all of the time, wives are concerned that their "relationship and marriage will change" so they don't want that. I've got news for them...THEIR RELATIONSHIP AND MARRIAGE HAS ALREADY CHANGED! It's just natural evolution of familiarity and marriage. So the question becomes, is WHAT YOU HAVE NOW and further decline (at 38 YEARS OLD!!) what she wants or would she like to alter the trajectory of "change" and shape the nature of that INEVITABLE change into something exciting and pleasurable for you both? As I said, CHANGE is going to happen either way. She can be bored with sex and do whatever she's doing now for the rest of her life and manage that sexual decline (leaving you, her husband unsatisfied honestly) or she can manage the experience along with you and together you can find pleasure in sex again. For me, the EMPOWERMENT that comes from sexual liberation for a wife is intoxicating and a positive in all other aspects of life. I think you will find that if she reads my stories and so many other stories about this she will discover just how many empowered, confident and happy wives are involved in this type of sexual adventure. INEVITABLY I think MOST WIVES in the lifestyle wish they had started this lifestyle much sooner rather than later. She's in the prime of life so she has an advantage of starting earlier. She needs to have it entirely her way though or this won't work.

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5) she does not understand why I would want this…’
‘…And sweetums—I don’t understand it either. All I know it that for me, absolutely nothing on this planet is hotter! Maybe it’s some evolutionary-biological thingie, but I just can’t help it. I’m powerless NOT to be incredibly turned on by this…For some crazy reason that I just don’t get, that does it for me. I can’t even help it!’
 
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I'm 33 years old. My wife slightly older at 38. We're together now for 8 years and we have a son (6).

Basically my wife, 5"4 tall, slim (size 4), blonde, C-cup, and very hot (although I'm biased), before we got a relationship was not shy of being a single woman with (several) FWB situations going on. She's into the bad-boy kind of thing and has shared that in the past with a guys she has done a MFM threesome.

I'm not of the bad-boy breed. A regular guy, well educated, entrepreneur, good job, very good income and in all aspects of what I do not considered "sub" or anything of the sort, but in general by all as very "reliable, trustworthy, etc.". Now after years of fooling around with not-marriage-material-guys, she settled down with me. Our relationship is generally good and strong.

Now, over the years her sex drive has gone down. Whereas at the beginning of our relationship we knew our way around the bedroom, we now have sex on average every other week or so. Not that often. The sex is good though, but more in the "making love" category, than "pounding, hardcore porno sex"... let's say the kind of sex she used to have with all her past FWB-types.

To cut to the chase, I'm a safe haven for her. We have a son and a family and she will not want to jeopardise that. When referring to her past threesome, she claims not really to be into that, because "it's a lot of work" for her.
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Now, I know I'm a very decent lover, but I'm not champions league. I think that for her that is absolutely fine and we have a good thing going, but given her past I think there is more beneath the surface that can come out if given the chance.

But, after the pregnancy of our son she gained weight and stopped finding herself attractive. Now, she's lost the extra weight (she's a size 4), but her stomach/belly is not as tight as it used to be and she's (unnecessarily) insecure about her body and still thinks she's not that good-looking when in reality she really is.
That is a blocking factor too... she will need to overcome showing her body to somebody else too.

I've been fantasizing about hotwifing/cuckolding for a long time now.

So a whileback we were out, just the two of us, having a nice dinner and staying at a hotel. Had a great time, couple of glasses of wine.

Some small background. My wife doesn't like porn and doesn't appreciate me watching it. She said so eary on in our relationship.

Now, we get back to our hotel room and start the fun. We're full into foreplay, almost fully naked, when she - out of nowhere - surprises me with a question if I ever watch porn. I was kind of stumbled, so she knew I'd be lying if I'd say now... She starts asking all kinds of quesitons about how often, what kind of porn, etc. Not in a bad way, still in a teasing sexy way - we're continuing foreplay.

I'm kind of surprised by all of this and don't really know what to do. I tell her I image it's her in the porn.
-But she still continues to ask what kind of porn.
-Lame as me says: you know, a girl getting fucked good.
-She starts asking so, one guys, two guys, three guys...
-Me: yes
-She: 3 guys?
-Me: Yes
-She: would you want me to fuck three guys?
-Me: Yes
-She: and you would be okey with that?
-Me: Yes
-She: Well that's not going to happen? I just want want cock and that's yours

This then kind of spiralled into us having very good, steaming sex...
Afterwards there was only some comment that she did not understand why I needed to watch porn. She doesn't and doesn't masturbate... but nothing further.


A few days ago, we had a hot session. I gave her a massage, which ended in me fucking her with a good dildo, while she sucked me off... We've never done this and this was our first 'split-roast' kind of thing.

The day after, after a couple of drinks, she comes back to the porn thing and she asked me if I really wanted that. Her with other guys. I told her yes and we had a good conversation about what exactly my fantasy was, and why.

She didn't get upset and the conversation was good. I told her and now she knows. She doesn't understand though, as she says that she cannot imagine me fucking other women and her watching... I told her that's not what my fantasy was. It's about seeing her.

We had a fantastic fuck.

Afterwards she says that she will need some time to digest and process this. This is my fantasy, not hers and she would is not - yet - willing to go down this path... She had some concerns about me pursuing this fantasy outside our relationship. I told her I was not interested in that, because I want to see her, not somebody else; that's the whole point.

There are some openings ("if we were ever to do this, I'd be doing it for you, not me"). But also some hesitations ("what if I don't want this and you do, then what?")

I guess it needs some time, but would like to know if any couple or hotwifes have any experiences to share that recognize this situation?
As exactly like this when hubby told me he couldnt stop fantasizing of my getting fucked by a huge cock i obviously said no and kicked up a fuss every so often hed bring it up and when we was out for drinks with mates hed ask his freinds if they wanted a 3 sum with us id laugh it off but i know he was serious. Anyway time went on and my niece was staying at ours for a week. We was in the hot tub drinks flowing she was on her phone with her back to us so i pulled out hubbys hard cock and went to town sucking that hard fucker. Well she starts to watch but doesdnt say anything all of a sudden i hear her moaning as im sucking his cock hes rubbing her pussy with his toes. So i said to her come on its tim i taught you a thing or 2 anyway long story short we ended up having the hottest 3 sum ever. Then 2 months later my birthday come around he booked a hotel we had a meal drinks etc started fucking back at the hotel he tied me and blindfolded me so i couldnt move or see. He said im going to give you a birthday to remember. So he starts eating my pussy and fucking etc then he stops for a few seconds and starts again only i think fuck me hes either some how grown a few inches or hes got a strap on. But i thought it feels 2 real i didnt say anything as i was in absolute fucking extacy and i was cuming over and over to the point where my leggs were like jelly. He just held me tighter and kept fucking BUT all of a sudern i feel someone climbing on the bed and a cock getting forced into my mouth then he pulled off my blindfold. He met a very well endowed guy online im talking 9" and give him the spare key when he went downstairs for a vape early on. And told him to sneek in the room at a certain time. I was very shocked although not mad as i could see all he went through so i could be pleasured like never before and theres been no looking back sinse x