SHOT DOWN Am I wasting my time, Or do I need to keep trying to get her to fuck another man?

[ChiParisCpl4u2]

Can you read and tell me if you think I should still pursue or hang the idea up of getting her to cuckold me or be a hotwife?

It has really been since before we were married since we went to a swing club. We only did soft swap but both of us did oral sex with others.

Before we were married we went to swingers clubs in Paris and a few in the states and we had a sex swing and would roll play constantly and fuck in public and we were wild.

However, we are still relatively kinky, but not quite like we used to be. We still have great sex, but the pandemic I think has caused stress and that stress fucks up the mood for sex. We have never stopped roll playing about her fucking other guys. When she comes, and she is ready to stop fucking, she will talk really dirty and call me another guys name. This has never stopped in our relationship since the beginning.

BUT 3 weeks ago, I got really encouraged again, because I said, "I am serious, I would really actually love it if you fucked another guy" and she asked if she could pick the guy out. I said yes then dropped it.

We got drunk Friday and we took this sex fantasy quiz that says what your fantasies are and then it shows you results. I was disappointed because it did not says she was willing to swing or fuck another guy at all. I said, that I was hoping that she would say she would based upon what she said a few weeks ago. She blew off that she said that a few weeks ago, and said that she absolutely does not want to fuck another guy because she is a mom and married now. This goes to her weird dichotomy of being Italian/Catholic (Not practicing) where the ethic is to never cheat, be loyal to family, and be a total slut in the bedroom for your husband. So mix between old school values and being a wild slut.

She got kind of pissy with me for bringing this up and acted like I was a jerk for to even suggest my wife and we are married, Bla Blah. Then the next morning she said she was sorry for being so pissy about it. However, she didn't then take back her position. She was still sticking to, we are married now, so I don't want to fuck outside my marriage.

I worked with the cuckold consultant a few years back and I am just looking at his personalized plan. I am thinking I went to fast now. I am thinking that I have to strengthen our sex life and intimacy and also also give her the underlying reasons why I want this.

What is weird is that Saturday night, she asked if she could have a personal trainer at home. I think she really wants one. I said, sure if you pic a hot one and have sex with him. She said, "well in that case, do I get to pick the trainer out" and I said "hell yes". Again, she said, "Ok."

I am not sure if I am trying to fit a square peg in a round hole here.

Has anyone ran into lots of rejections by your wife, but then finally got her to fuck another guy? If that is the case, what advise can you give?

Thanks!

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[Jake44]

Sounds to me like she is ready for strange dick She is beautiful and she should not be wasted on just one guy.

 

[Sirgreen27]

She is completly stunning 😍.

 

[btweets]

If she’s really hung up on being that she’s now married, she most likely considers it as cheating. You have to chip away at convincing her that it’s not cheating if you’re aware or involved with it as well. I would also think it might be in your best interest to make sure she knows that you’re not interested in being with another woman. Reassure her that it’s all about pleasing her and only her. Be sure to emphasize just how much it excites and would turn you on to watch and listen to her being the complete center of attention while she’s receiving all the limitless sexual pleasure she wants and can handle.

 

[btweets]

She’s absolutely gorgeous and we’re not far from each other. Another proven method is to plan a night out, have her dress up super sexy and maybe even a little slutty, have a couple of drinks at home and go to a bar or nightclub. You guys go in but a couple minutes apart and tell her to act like she’s alone and to have a seat at the bar while you’re sitting or standing nearby watching. She’ll have absolutely no problem attracting plenty of attention from guys. Tell her to just simply enjoy herself, make conversation, flirt and tease all she desires, and to even dance if she feels like it, or thinks a guy is good looking and if she’s attracted to one. You can keep in contact throughout the night by texting each other, especially when she goes to the washroom. I’m a seasoned pro at flirting with women and would be more than happy to offer myself to you as one of those guys. We’d have to decide on a time and location and a way for you to know which guy I am, but I have a way of communicating and convincing women to become very open and completely honest with me and suggestive to my thoughts. I have no idea how I was blessed with the ability, but I love it! Keep in mind, I might not even be the guy she’s in to, and that’s perfectly okay with me. My fun will be picking her mind for her sexual thoughts, ideas and hopefully some personal secrets and just being able to watch and listen to everything, all the while without her having a clue about me. Now you’ll have to keep in mind that most likely she’s not going to do anything that night, very very slim odds, but she’ll have a great fun night, especially being able to act and behave anyway she wants to, all the while knowing you’re right there and turned on while making sure she’s safe and most importantly, 100% confident that you won’t get or be upset with her afterwards, no matter how she acted. And that alone will make her much more relaxed, comfortable, turned on and help her move one step closer to actually fulfilling yours and soon to be her fantasy. If you’d like, please feel free to pick someone else, I’d be absolutely content with just hearing all the details if you even decide to give this idea a chance. Keep us posted on any other updates.

 

[Trev802]

Hi did I not send you the reply below ?

If not have a read I think it might help.

Well in my experience women are more prone to fantasy thoughts than visual as we men with porn etc. While the pandemic is on my suggestion and what has worked for me is to make a mutual friend on-line, a man you can get on with but more importantly so can your wife. Have regular conversations about the lifestyle and other things in general allow the man to flirt with your wife and show your approval. In time allow your wife to realise the more she flirts with this man the more attentive you become with her let her enjoy her flirting unrestricted and when she gets really sexy with him reward her without telling her it's a reward, with oral sex until orgasms but dont fuck her and definately don't allow yourself to cum, this is important it must be all about her pleasure. Overtime she will come to realise this is her treat and something you genuinely want her to enjoy. Don't push her regarding fucking other guys and leave the flirting to the other guy this is important allow her to explore areas of her sexuality that funnily she will do with him but not you, just allow this without jealousy which she will be watching for. If you do this right she will eventually request you allow her to have sex with another man. Here if you need any more advjce let me know how it goes good luck.

 

[ChiParisCpl4u2]

She's a hottie and WHEN she finally gives in and starts enjoying other men she's going to be just like so many of the other wives on here. That is to say, she's going to ask herself why in the world she waited so long to begin. You just need to encourage her to do what she wants, leave the "rules" behind and let her experiment on her own. She will have NO PROBLEM getting whatever types of guys she wants. She should check out our posts or ask questions if she really might be interested. It makes no sense to us, we have one life and part of enjoying that life is being able to encourage and satisfy our sexual desires. One person simply can NOT fulfill each of us. There is NOTHING about being married or having kids, religion, etc that we should empower enough to make us just take whatever satisfaction we can get from our marriage partner and leave the rest of the potentially amazing experiences behind. We often wonder why it's such a big deal to wives to let go and enjoy their beautiful bodies and those of other men too. Once she starts playing with hot guys she will understand what I mean by that.

Mrs Hotwife

One of the things she brought up was the Demi Moore movie Indecent Proposal where super rich Robert Redford had sex with Demi More for 1 million bucks and then it destroyed the marriage of her and Woody Harrelson.

She has brought up more than once, "what if I really love it." I think she thinks she would love it and I would not be able to handle it. Any way to convince her that this is not the case? I will look at some of your posts on here.

 

[StateCouple]

One of the things she brought up was the Demi Moore movie Indecent Proposal where super rich Robert Redford had sex with Demi More for 1 million bucks and then it destroyed the marriage of her and Woody Harrelson.

She has brought up more than once, "what if I really love it." I think she thinks she would love it and I would not be able to handle it. Any way to convince her that this is not the case? I will look at some of your posts on here.

So she is definitely thinking about it and processing it. You are closer than you think but pressing her on it before she finishes processing would be a mistake. You will push her away and without trust she will be less likely to try. Keep telling her the relationship will be fine, that it is sex for fun - not love. Tell her how sexy she is and how much it turns you on when other guys lust after what is yours. You can do this - but don't set the timeline in stone. If you keep re-assuring vs. pushing she will continue to process your request.

 

[Trev802]

Yes I agree fully with Statecouple comments be patient this can happen

 

[btweets]

Just a thought, but what about telling her to pick a guy that she wouldn’t normally pick up? I convinced Robin into having and showing compassion for the “underdog” type of guy. She wasn’t into the idea early on, but eventually she warmed up to it when I explained what a truly amazing treat it is for any guy, let alone a guy that doesn’t necessarily have women beating his door down. Since then she’s taken a few very happy guys virginity’s and what an amazing experience it’s been. In other words, pick a guy with a great body but not too good looking or the complete opposite. It definitely sounds like you’re much closer than you think. 😊

 

[Hieronymo]

She's a hottie and WHEN she finally gives in and starts enjoying other men she's going to be just like so many of the other wives on here. That is to say, she's going to ask herself why in the world she waited so long to begin. You just need to encourage her to do what she wants, leave the "rules" behind and let her experiment on her own. She will have NO PROBLEM getting whatever types of guys she wants. She should check out our posts or ask questions if she really might be interested. It makes no sense to us, we have one life and part of enjoying that life is being able to encourage and satisfy our sexual desires. One person simply can NOT fulfill each of us. There is NOTHING about being married or having kids, religion, etc that we should empower enough to make us just take whatever satisfaction we can get from our marriage partner and leave the rest of the potentially amazing experiences behind. We often wonder why it's such a big deal to wives to let go and enjoy their beautiful bodies and those of other men too. Once she starts playing with hot guys she will understand what I mean by that.

Mrs Hotwife

I love this, I’m saving this.

 

[ChiParisCpl4u2]

Sounds to me like she is ready for strange dick She is beautiful and she should not be wasted on just one guy.

Thank you. I appreciate the kind words and encouragement

 

[ChiParisCpl4u2]

She's a hottie and WHEN she finally gives in and starts enjoying other men she's going to be just like so many of the other wives on here. That is to say, she's going to ask herself why in the world she waited so long to begin. You just need to encourage her to do what she wants, leave the "rules" behind and let her experiment on her own. She will have NO PROBLEM getting whatever types of guys she wants. She should check out our posts or ask questions if she really might be interested. It makes no sense to us, we have one life and part of enjoying that life is being able to encourage and satisfy our sexual desires. One person simply can NOT fulfill each of us. There is NOTHING about being married or having kids, religion, etc that we should empower enough to make us just take whatever satisfaction we can get from our marriage partner and leave the rest of the potentially amazing experiences behind. We often wonder why it's such a big deal to wives to let go and enjoy their beautiful bodies and those of other men too. Once she starts playing with hot guys she will understand what I mean by that.

Mrs Hotwife

That was very profound Mrs Hotwife and at the expense of perhaps sounding a little corny, it was kind of beautiful. What a fantastic way to look at it. I will look at your guys posts. Thank you

 

[ChiParisCpl4u2]

Yes I agree fully with Statecouple comments be patient this can happen

Thank you for the words of encouragement and advise. I will do my best to be more patient.

 

[ChiParisCpl4u2]

Just a thought, but what about telling her to pick a guy that she wouldn’t normally pick up? I convinced Robin into having and showing compassion for the “underdog” type of guy. She wasn’t into the idea early on, but eventually she warmed up to it when I explained what a truly amazing treat it is for any guy, let alone a guy that doesn’t necessarily have women beating his door down. Since then she’s taken a few very happy guys virginity’s and what an amazing experience it’s been. In other words, pick a guy with a great body but not too good looking or the complete opposite. It definitely sounds like you’re much closer than you think. 😊

Interesting take. So do you advise picking someone with great body but not too good looking because otherwise they might like it too much? That is part of the turn on for me. The idea that this might be dangerous or has the potential to be dangerous in the sense that what if she just falls in love with this guys dick instead of mine. The idea of her taking a guys virginity is a crazy super hot fantasy for me. I remember that when my wife and I first met she worked in a large rental office of hundreds of apartments and there was a high school kid that would come in and talk with her. There was also an old man who took her out to lunch and would flirt with her, but she did it to be nice and nothing came of it. The high school kid would come in and talk with her to her about his girlfriends. I remember when that was happening I had tons of fantasies about her surprising the kid and fucking his brains out to teach him how to be with a woman. Then there was also a young 20 year old college kid that taught my (now step son) swimming lessons, and I remember fantasizing about the young 20 year old kid fucking my then girlfriend and now wife. Right now, I would settle for anyone that would inspire her to fuck her first bull or guy outside our marriage.

 

[ChiParisCpl4u2]

So she is definitely thinking about it and processing it. You are closer than you think but pressing her on it before she finishes processing would be a mistake. You will push her away and without trust she will be less likely to try. Keep telling her the relationship will be fine, that it is sex for fun - not love. Tell her how sexy she is and how much it turns you on when other guys lust after what is yours. You can do this - but don't set the timeline in stone. If you keep re-assuring vs. pushing she will continue to process your request.

I will remember that line "keep re-assuring and not pushing". I think that is good advice. I will push and get negative feedback and stop any communication at all about it. Rather, don't push her but tell her how lucky I am. Like that "turns me on when guys acknowledge how lucky I am by lusting after what is mine." If I owned an Ferrari it would be fun to drive it because of how amazing it performs. However, maybe half the fun of owning a Ferrari is having other people admire your owning the Ferrari. She is the Ferrari, if I know that the Ferrari is coming back to me in the same condition as before than why not let one take out for a short test drive because it makes me feel great about owning it. If my wife was a 1978 Ford Pinto, and everyone laughed at me for driving it, that would be the opposite of that feeling. Maybe I am off base. But I get what you are saying.

 

[StateCouple]

I will remember that line "keep re-assuring and not pushing". I think that is good advice. I will push and get negative feedback and stop any communication at all about it. Rather, don't push her but tell her how lucky I am. Like that "turns me on when guys acknowledge how lucky I am by lusting after what is mine." If I owned an Ferrari it would be fun to drive it because of how amazing it performs. However, maybe half the fun of owning a Ferrari is having other people admire your owning the Ferrari. She is the Ferrari, if I know that the Ferrari is coming back to me in the same condition as before than why not let one take out for a short test drive because it makes me feel great about owning it. If my wife was a 1978 Ford Pinto, and everyone laughed at me for driving it, that would be the opposite of that feeling. Maybe I am off base. But I get what you are saying.

Just wait until the first time the Ferrari gets loaned out and it performs faster and better than you have ever experienced it. Or when the driver of the Ferrari doesn't treat it with the respect you know it deserves. Hotwife-ing is so much fun, but you certainly have to be able to go with the flow. Just because something someone did was not how you envisioned it you need to trust your partner to respect your feelings as well. That said your wife is an amazing Ferrari and should be driven regularly!

 

[ChiParisCpl4u2]

Just wait until the first time the Ferrari gets loaned out and it performs faster and better than you have ever experienced it. Or when the driver of the Ferrari doesn't treat it with the respect you know it deserves. Hotwife-ing is so much fun, but you certainly have to be able to go with the flow. Just because something someone did was not how you envisioned it you need to trust your partner to respect your feelings as well. That said your wife is an amazing Ferrari and should be driven regularly!

StateCouple, Thanks for chatting man. I like the way you look at things. I think that is important for me to realize and maybe discuss with her is that unlike the character played by woody harrelson in indecent proposal I would be able to "go with the flow"

 

[StateCouple]

StateCouple, Thanks for chatting man. I like the way you look at things. I think that is important for me to realize and maybe discuss with her is that unlike the character played by woody harrelson in indecent proposal I would be able to "go with the flow"

No problem. If I can keep you from making many of the same mistakes I did then it is worth it.
One other thing - set a hard rule: If you are fighting there will be no playing.
Otherwise sex can be used as retribution. Also remember you are going to have setbacks. You will have no-shows, guys that can't get hard, smokers, all sorts of things that turn her off. Get used to it and move on. Most of the best bulls my wife has ever had are met organically. Like the trainer. Most of the ones we have tried to set up off of OK Cupid or other venues are the ones that routinely stand you up or let you down.

I will now step off my soapbox so you can show your magnificent woman to the rest of us horny f%cks.
Kidding - have a good time with it. Even the thought of sharing our wives is enough to work us all up!